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Aug 5, 2008 3:04 pm

Avise - On Energy , I would ask what is the Democrat's Position to have Alternate Sources Of Energy? If you are suggesting Wind Power , Solar Power or BioFuels .....when are these expected to be on line? The Liberal Party in Canada is suggesting Raising Taxes and that would do what?

Not sure of you age ....... I do recall the Alternate Energy Sources have been around and discussed at great length for a least 20 years. That being said where are we now , frankly not that much further ahead. I would be more than happy to review either the Democrats ( U.S. ) or Liberals ( Canada ) Energy Plans that will be online to address the energy situation within the next 12-24 months.
Aug 5, 2008 3:12 pm
BondGuy:

The sad news is that the picture in question was taken after the Pledge of Alliance and during the the song "America The Beautiful." No rule about that.

 
Does this sound like "America The Beautiful" to you?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo&feature=related
 
Oh and BondGuy, there is a rule about that.
 
U.S. Code: Title 36 : Section 301
National anthem

(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed - A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Aug 5, 2008 4:19 pm

Old Spice: MikeButler...is that you?!!


BG:  Say what you want and by all means, support who you want, but I don't ever recall seeing a politician as talented at morphing positions and delivering a speech as Obama is.  I don't trust that guy any further than I can throw him...he makes Bill Clinton look downright clumsy in comparison.  I'm being as honest as I can here, but I don't recall a candidate in either party since I started voting in the Reagan era, that I've felt less comfortable about, or felt like was hiding more, than Obama.  As much as I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan, I feel far better about her as a potential president than I do Obama.  Heck, I'd feel far better about Al Gore, George Bush or John Kerry as a president than I would Obama.  It goes well beyond the questionable associations that have been disavowed and questionable positions that have recently changed.  I'm all for a man seeing the light and changing his mind, but I still have that nagging feeling that we really don't know how Obama feels about many positions and instead are watching him regurgitate positions that he feels the majority of us want to hear.  To be fair, McCain is not immune to this, as we've witnessed major position changes from him on drilling and immigration, but I don't feel nearly the same level of uncertainty that I do with Obama.
 
By all means, feel free to disagree, but I've reached the point where I feel like far too many of the politicians held out for us to consider are becoming far too slick and malleable for us to really know where they stand on issues, and in my opinion, Obama represents the sad zenith of this movement.  Personally, I prefer to see our leaders occasionally stumble verbally like McCain or yes, even Bush.  At least I feel like they're speaking from the heart.
 
Bomb away...
Aug 5, 2008 4:49 pm

Another Flip Flop the NAFTA Agreement. Agree or disagree with NAFTA , Obama did say he would open up the Agreement again. Right , unfortunately he has to get the other two countries ( Canada & Mexico ) to agree to opening the agreement.

And for my Blogger friend......his staff admitted to staff members of the Canadian Government that the statement was political and was made for Domestic U.S. voters consumption.
Indyone - like you this politican ( Obama ) makes me feel very uncomfortable.
Aug 5, 2008 5:31 pm
IsOldSpiceRightForMe:
BondGuy:

The sad news is that the picture in question was taken after the Pledge of Alliance and during the the song "America The Beautiful." No rule about that.

 
Does this sound like "America The Beautiful" to you?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo&feature=related
 
Oh and BondGuy, there is a rule about that.
 
U.S. Code: Title 36 : Section 301
National anthem

(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed - A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
 
I stand corrected, it was the National Anthem. Senior moment pulled the wrong song out. 
 
 Point still stands.
 
The email circulated was intended to smear Obama. It was a still photo published with the caption  " Barack Hussein Obama (that's his real name)  refused to not only put his hand on his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance but refused to say the Pledge....How in the hell can a man like this expect to be our next commander-in-chief? There is no mention in the email that the photo was taken during the National Anthem.
 
Point is it's smear campaign meant to mislead voters. And it worked. They even threw the 'M" bomb. If you want to to split hairs and defend the smearers, go for it.
 
As for the Flag code during the National Anthem:
 
 According to the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of the Star Spangled Banner, modern custom does not require a hand over the heart. Respect shown through demeanor is all that is required. There is no hard and fast rule.
 
The code is apparently quite dated as is evidenced by the instruction that men not in uniform should remove their headdress. I guess baseball uniforms don't count.
 
Oh, and by the way, for smear defenders out there, none is facing the flag.
 
 
 
Aug 5, 2008 7:21 pm
BondGuy:

Star Spangled Banner, modern custom does not require a hand over the heart. Respect shown through demeanor is all that is required. There is no hard and fast rule.

 
Even if it's not required, shouldn't someone running for President of the United States of America show some patriotism and respect for the song and the flag and what they symbolize?  Shouldn't we expect that from our leader? 
 
Should our President at least have a little Patriotism? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2La7lBKS6U&feature=related
 
Shouldn't our President protect our country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related
Aug 5, 2008 7:24 pm

One more and I'm done (I'm getting addicted to YouTube)

 
Before Obama spent so much time touring the world on his, whatever that tour was, maybe he should have spent a little more time at home learning about the country he hopes to lead:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Aug 5, 2008 8:30 pm

Old spice, you are giving the smearers credibility. They win when you do that. The flag, the pin not issues. Yet THEY will try to get you to vote their way because of them.

 
In 04 Bush used a wedge issue to win Ohio. Not so smart folks from Ohio voted against their economic well being because of this wedge issue of gay marriage.
 
This is the same thing.
Aug 5, 2008 9:36 pm
IsOldSpiceRightForMe:
BondGuy:

Star Spangled Banner, modern custom does not require a hand over the heart. Respect shown through demeanor is all that is required. There is no hard and fast rule.

 
Even if it's not required, shouldn't someone running for President of the United States of America show some patriotism and respect for the song and the flag and what they symbolize?  Shouldn't we expect that from our leader? 
 
Should our President at least have a little Patriotism? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2La7lBKS6U&feature=related
 
Shouldn't our President protect our country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related



Trust me I'm no Obama defender...but do you have any proof that this YouTube video you posted is authentic?  It's not modified?  You have proof that this is Barack?

I ask because these are some serious allegations in my humble opinions....

Aug 6, 2008 11:04 pm
joedabrkr:
IsOldSpiceRightForMe:
BondGuy:

Star Spangled Banner, modern custom does not require a hand over the heart. Respect shown through demeanor is all that is required. There is no hard and fast rule.

 
Even if it's not required, shouldn't someone running for President of the United States of America show some patriotism and respect for the song and the flag and what they symbolize?  Shouldn't we expect that from our leader? 
 
Should our President at least have a little Patriotism? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2La7lBKS6U&feature=related
 
Shouldn't our President protect our country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related



Trust me I'm no Obama defender...but do you have any proof that this YouTube video you posted is authentic?  It's not modified?  You have proof that this is Barack?

I ask because these are some serious allegations in my humble opinions....



Fire all 537 o' dem
Lets git dis here country back on da right track otay buh-weet



Aug 8, 2008 3:00 pm
I hate to sound uncaring, but maybe it would have been better if the brave people on Flight 93 hadn't crashed in Pennsylvania and fulfilled its flight path, right into Congress and took out all of these useless bozos we have in office.
 
I'll let this comment speak for itself. But in 01 wasn't congress mostly republican?
 
Yeah.....so?  With any luck Lindsey Graham  and a whole bunch of other Republicans andn Democrats would have been at ground zero.  I would spare Zell Miller.
 
If it weren't for the internet and that I have a friend who works in the district office of my Rep we wouldn't know any of this.    If we were to see this bill (to expand drilling, exploration and refining) pass the market would pop up and oil futures prices would drop.
 
Babs, on what planet? The oil gain won't be realized for years, far beyond the exp date of any futures trading today.
 
That is absolutely not true.  There are oil wells that are known to be able to produce that were producing and were forced to be taken out of  capped and are just sitting there.  With the new technology we have today, we would be putting that oil on the world market in slightly over a year.
 
And the Swift Boat Vets were not a hoax. I know several of the boat Captians and others who served along with Kerry.  They are not liars.  Some are non political except for this and several are life time democrat voters.  It wasn't a partisan thing.   It was "Kerry is a lying scumbag who hung us out to dry thing".
Aug 8, 2008 4:04 pm
avise:
norway401:
You bet if the Edwards situation was reverse, a Republican, the press would be over the story like Stink On A Monkey.



I just Googled this up to see what you are talking about.  You are reading too many blogs. 

I haven't been grocery shopping in the past month or so, but for a couple of years it seemed all the rags you now respect so much had nothing on their covers but pictures of Bush drunk; Laura scratching his face; Laura living in a hotel, etc. etc.  Thank G*d no one, not even you, was all over that nonsense either

 
Looks like Edwards finally admitted to lying all through his candidacy, what a class act
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1
Aug 8, 2008 4:35 pm
BondGuy:

The same media that gave Bush a pass on the invasion of Iraq. No complaints about that? To be clear, I mean then, in 03, when it was happening. If the media had done t's job maybe enough questions would have been raised to derail the Bush trillion dollar war plan. Butttt, they were asleep at the wheel then, or in bed with Bush. [COLOR>



Were they giving Bush a pass or the Senators that voted for the war, including her hienous Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, the pass?



People will blame republicans for high prices? Gee doyathink? Let's see, secret energy policy engineered by Dr. Evil and now record profits by oil companies. Where were oil prices in 2001? Who else to blame? The ethanol debacle is pushing up food prices. Plus the e85 is crap gas. Again, this is a Bush policy. Who should we blame?



How about those silly chinese/indians that think they have the right to drive a car. Seriously, what will have more impact on demand...me properly inflating my tires, or some chinaman who previously rode a bike deciding to buy a car (even if it ets 30 mpg)?





I'm not sure if it's heinous or hienous

Aug 8, 2008 4:40 pm
now_indy:
avise:
norway401:
You bet if the Edwards situation was reverse, a Republican, the press would be over the story like Stink On A Monkey.



I just Googled this up to see what you are talking about.  You are reading too many blogs. 

I haven't been grocery shopping in the past month or so, but for a couple of years it seemed all the rags you now respect so much had nothing on their covers but pictures of Bush drunk; Laura scratching his face; Laura living in a hotel, etc. etc.  Thank G*d no one, not even you, was all over that nonsense either

 
Looks like Edwards finally admitted to lying all through his candidacy, what a class act
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1




It is pretty disgusting of Edwards or any male (I won't call people who cheat on their spouses men). It's sad he did the same exact thing John McCain did to his ex-wife. I wonder if Edwards was banging as many women on the side as McCain did when he saw his wife was disfigured in an auto accident?

Aug 8, 2008 4:50 pm

...touché.

 




At the same time, if we got rid of all the philandering politicians, who would run the country?!!
Aug 8, 2008 4:54 pm

Politican's don't lie , they just forget The other thing that always amazes me is how the Liberals when caught always fall back on ...... well your guy did it too , even more that our guy.  

Aug 8, 2008 5:21 pm
norway401:

Politican's don't lie , they just forget The other thing that always amazes me is how the Liberals when caught always fall back on ...... well your guy did it too , even more that our guy.  

 
 I agree.
 
Avise, I'm not saying McCain is perfect. But, I don't remember McCain blatantly lying about it over and over.  It's like Clinton, if he and Hillary are ok with his philandering (and belive me she is, I'm from Arkansas and we've been hearing about it since the '80s), then so be it. But, when he continually lies right to your face about it, that's too much.
Aug 8, 2008 5:29 pm

Avise , do you recall you suggesting that I was reading the Trash Mags Maybe you should take a break from the fawning three networks and at least have a peek at Fox News.....and before you say something silly like Neo Conservatives. Watch , listen and at least get some balance. For the sake of a reasonable conversation.

Aug 9, 2008 11:59 am
avise:
now_indy:
avise:
norway401:
You bet if the Edwards situation was reverse, a Republican, the press would be over the story like Stink On A Monkey.



I just Googled this up to see what you are talking about.  You are reading too many blogs. 

I haven't been grocery shopping in the past month or so, but for a couple of years it seemed all the rags you now respect so much had nothing on their covers but pictures of Bush drunk; Laura scratching his face; Laura living in a hotel, etc. etc.  Thank G*d no one, not even you, was all over that nonsense either

 
Looks like Edwards finally admitted to lying all through his candidacy, what a class act
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1




It is pretty disgusting of Edwards or any male (I won't call people who cheat on their spouses men). It's sad he did the same exact thing John McCain did to his ex-wife. I wonder if Edwards was banging as many women on the side as McCain did when he saw his wife was disfigured in an auto accident?

 
McCain spent the first half of his marriage in Hanoi Hilton and his wife was in an auto accident while he was there.  They both were disfigured and maimed.  When he got back from Viet Nam they tried to make their marriage work and it didn't.  Both of them had been changed from the persons they were when they got married.  Did he cheat on this wife? Yes.  Is this despicable?  Double yes. 
 
However, here is the big difference.  McCain was a private person at the time and the only people hurt by his infidelity were himself and his wife and family.   Edwards, on the other hand is not a private person. His betrayal was a selfish act that would damage many others. He was almost elected VP and was currently running for President.  His scandal not only hurts himself and his wife.......it also is a betrayal of his Party and the people who would have voted him into office.   A scandal like this would make it impossible to be an effective VP or President and he knew it.  
 
So while they both are cheating bastards. It isn't the same exact thing.   John McCain didn't parade his first wife around in a national campaign pretending to be the perfect little American family in order to advance his career.
Aug 11, 2008 1:51 pm
Incredible Hulk:
BondGuy:

The same media that gave Bush a pass on the invasion of Iraq. No complaints about that? To be clear, I mean then, in 03, when it was happening. If the media had done t's job maybe enough questions would have been raised to derail the Bush trillion dollar war plan. Butttt, they were asleep at the wheel then, or in bed with Bush. [COLOR>

Were they giving Bush a pass or the Senators that voted for the war, including her hienous Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, the pass?

 
Clearly, Bush. The senate was lied too along with the rest of us. Had the senate not been lied to by an admin bent on war who knows what the vote would have been?


People will blame republicans for high prices? Gee doyathink? Let's see, secret energy policy engineered by Dr. Evil and now record profits by oil companies. Where were oil prices in 2001? Who else to blame? The ethanol debacle is pushing up food prices. Plus the e85 is crap gas.  Again, this is a Bush policy. Who should we blame?

How about those silly chinese/indians that think they have the right to drive a car. Seriously, what will have more impact on demand...me properly inflating my tires, or some chinaman who previously rode a bike deciding to buy a car (even if it ets 30 mpg)?


The repubs are pro big oil, which makes them pro big oil profits. The repubican politicans are are crying we feel your pain to their constituents while operating behind a cloak of secrecy to maximize the profits of the very companies that they pubicly vilify. Off shore drilling is just the latest way to get that done. Do you really think these people care about you? They only care that they can convert the pain you're feeling at the pump into dollars in their pockets. And many are dumb enough to buy into that.


China's oil consumption is up 7.5% year over year. That's huge and that they are joining the 21st century is why were are energy buyers here. Yet, China doesn't account for the spike in oil prices.
 
I guess you're laughing at the proper tire inflation thing? If you are, that's OK, McCain is. And of course McCain is pro big oil. He's got to deliver for his boys. As for the tire inflation thing, it's true.

I'm not sure if it's heinous or hienous
 
It's heinous, but either way works for a disingenuous discription.