Wow, the Patriots are ARROGANT!

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Nov 15, 2009 11:36 pm

4th and 2, ahead by 6, 2:0X remaining in the game, on their OWN 30 yard line...and those ARROGANT S.O.B.s GO FOR IT!  They got stuffed, and we're on commercial break right now.  Manning has 2:00 to go 30 yards and teach those pr1cks a lesson.  Boy I hope it goes down that way.  Seriously, I can't stand the Pats.

Nov 15, 2009 11:53 pm

What an unreal game! Wow. I can't believe they didn't punt.

Nov 16, 2009 8:17 am

Football is fickle.  If he would have got a 1st down it would have been call of the year.

 
As for arrogance, I think he was just showing respect to the Indy O.  You have a chance to win the game, go for it.  Loved the call.
Nov 16, 2009 8:55 am

Brett Favre is the clear MVP Frontrunner at this point.  Manning is winning games with luck, Favre is winning with experience and talent.

Nov 16, 2009 9:32 am
BerkshireBull:

Brett Favre is the clear MVP Frontrunner at this point.  Manning is winning games with luck, Favre is winning with experience and talent.

 
Manning is what is holding his team together and that's luck?? Manning is the clear MVP frontrunner now but if the Titans get to .500 then Chris Johnson is the frontrunner......
Nov 16, 2009 9:39 am
BerkshireBull:

Brett Favre is the clear MVP Frontrunner at this point.  Manning is winning games with luck, Favre is winning with experience and talent.

 
 
Nov 16, 2009 9:40 am
iceco1d:

4th and 2, ahead by 6, 2:0X remaining in the game, on their OWN 30 yard line...and those ARROGANT S.O.B.s GO FOR IT!  They got stuffed, and we're on commercial break right now.  Manning has 2:00 to go 30 yards and teach those pr1cks a lesson.  Boy I hope it goes down that way.  Seriously, I can't stand the Pats.

 
Actually, just the opposite.  I think Belechik didn't trust his defense to hold them, and felt that the offense was on a roll and had a better shot.  If they had made that 1st down, I think game was over.  It's a game of inches, and as much as a like Welker, he made the mistake of not running the route a bit further.  Yes, he got pushed back behind the marker after he caught the ball (he was bobbling it), but the game was riding on that play.  You gotta be sure. 
Nov 16, 2009 10:13 am

The 4th down play went to Faulk and they were sending the house, Brady didn't have time to wait. A decision like that could be argued all day, but Belichek knows his team and he knows they weren't stopping Manning, whether it be 30 yards or 70 yards. Brady throwing a 2 yard pass is a higher percentage then stopping Manning with that amount of time. Just a legendary game involving two of the greatest players the sport has ever seen. Awesome.

Nov 16, 2009 10:25 am
iceco1d:

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  4th and 2 from your own 30 yard line with 2 minutes to play and a 6 point lead, you punt the effing ball.  It's not even a question. 

 
 
 
I love to see the Pats lose but in this case I'm going to defer to the football expert, the evil hoodie.
Nov 16, 2009 10:30 am
voltmoie:
iceco1d:

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  4th and 2 from your own 30 yard line with 2 minutes to play and a 6 point lead, you punt the effing ball.  It's not even a question. 

 
 
 
I love to see the Pats lose but in this case I'm going to defer to the football expert, the evil hoodie.
 
Agree 100% Volt.  What would you trust more, your Hall of Fame QB to get 2 yds against a defense that you've torched for 34 pts, or your defense that has been torched by another Hall of Fame QB and the undisputed BEST closer to a football game?  I mean they would have given Manning 2 minutes to drive 60-70 yards with a timeout in his back pocket.  HE WAS WINNING THE GAME EITHER WAY! 
Nov 16, 2009 10:45 am

I agree, also. The Colts would have won anyways. The only shot the pats had was converting, which they are normally pretty good at, as much as I hate to admit it. I was biting my nails when Belichick decided to go for it. The bad call was leaving himself with no timeouts.

Nov 16, 2009 10:50 am

I agree.  And believe it or not, after watching the last 5 minutes of the game, it becomes even more clear why Hoodie wanted to to keep the ball out of Manning's hands.

 
That has to be one of the top 5 turnarounds I have witnessed.  Unfortunatley, most of the ones I have witnessed, we (Pats) were on the winning side.
 
Actually, Red Sox down 0-3 in the ALCS  to the Yanks is probably #1
Nov 16, 2009 11:35 am

My favorite was after the game on ESPN Trent Dilfer spent 10 minutes going off about how terrible a call it was, and how even if they converted the 4th down he still would have said it was a terrible call.  STFU Trent Dilfer!  Just because you were just as incompetent of an NFL QB as the guy you replaced on the show (Sean Salisbury) and definitely would not have converted that play doesn't mean that 3 time SB champion Tom Brady shouldn't have been entrusted to convert it.  Trent Freaking Dilfer gracing us with his harsh criticism of the coaching decisions of the greatest NFL coach of our generation.  TRENT DILFER!!

Nov 16, 2009 11:40 am
3rdyrp2:

My favorite was after the game on ESPN Trent Dilfer spent 10 minutes going off about how terrible a call it was, and how even if they converted the 4th down he still would have said it was a terrible call.  STFU Trent Dilfer!  Just because you were just as incompetent of an NFL QB as the guy you replaced on the show (Sean Salisbury) and definitely would not have converted that play doesn't mean that 3 time SB champion Tom Brady shouldn't have been entrusted to convert it.  Trent Freaking Dilfer gracing us with his harsh criticism of the coaching decisions of the greatest NFL coach of our generation.  TRENT DILFER!!

 
 EXACTLY. It is unreal these f***ing talking heads like Dilfer, Millen, Tom Jackson etc. who were marginal at best and now they have all of the answers, STFU!!
Nov 16, 2009 11:41 am

I hate the Hoodie, his whole persona bothers me. We all know that if he had converted the 4th it would be been a "gutsy, brilliant call from a coach that just keeps getting better and knows how to win" blah blah blah ... Arm chair QBs are idiots. He's still as great of a coach today as he was yesterday. 

 
The real debate is will Charlie the HUTT make the same call for the Pats next year?
 
Nov 16, 2009 12:47 pm
iceco1d:

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  4th and 2 from your own 30 yard line with 2 minutes to play and a 6 point lead, you punt the effing ball.  It's not even a question.



Agreed....I mean, seriously, a field goal attempt would have made more sense. (joking, of course)

If you can guarantee 2.5 yards every play, you will win every game. Two yards is alot harder than it looks, this wasn't a time to take chances...punt the ball and make them throw long.

Nov 16, 2009 12:52 pm

You wanna talk about taking chances?  Handing the ball to Peyton Manning at his own 35 with 2 minutes to play and a TO at his disposal.  Now thats taking a chance. 

 
BTW, even the Browns average at least 2.5 yards per play every game.  The Pats probably averaged somewhere between 6-10 yds per play last night.  Its not necessarily a great feat.
Nov 16, 2009 12:54 pm
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iceco1d:

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  4th and 2 from your own 30 yard line with 2 minutes to play and a 6 point lead, you punt the effing ball.  It's not even a question.



Agreed....I mean, seriously, a field goal attempt would have made more sense. (joking, of course)

If you can guarantee 2.5 yards every play, you will win every game. Two yards is alot harder than it looks, this wasn't a time to take chances...punt the ball and make them throw long.

 
Only a guy that's never played football would say that...  Of course we figured that out when you drive around with dancing bear stickers on your car.
Nov 16, 2009 4:53 pm

Ball on the 20 - 1st down.
Ball on the 22.5 - 2nd down.
Ball on the 25 - 3rd down.

Ball on the 27.5 - 4th down.

Ball on the 30 - 1st down.

Ball on the 32.5 - 2nd down.

....you get the point.

Nov 16, 2009 5:34 pm

Ice, what makes coaches like Bill Belichick separate from their peers?  Its their ability to not always go by the book and to make a decision based off of your gut and not off of conventional methods.  If Belichick always went by the book then he'd be Dom Capers or Herman Edwards or a high school coach.  I'm not saying it was a good call, but I can understand why he made it.  Would he have done that had Alex Smith been on the other sideline instead of Peyton Manning?  Ha!  Geez, what are the odds that Peyton would have driven them downfield for the win had they punted?  75%?  So the odds are they would have lost anyways.  The guy is being crucified for making a gut decision.  I think a worse decision was for Andy Reid to kick a FG at the end of the game last week instead of going for it on 4th since the Eagles were down by a TD.