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Jun 10, 2009 9:23 am

The new Washington Post/ABC news poll has all sorts of intriguing numbers in it but when you are looking for clues as to where the two parties stand politically there is only one number to remember: 21.


That's the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).


In that same poll, 35 percent self-identified as Democrats and 38 percent called them Independents.


 
Will the last Republican to leave the party turn out the lights? We need to save the energy for Rush Limbaugh's mouth.
Jun 10, 2009 11:02 am

Four percent and three percent. That's almost in the margin of error.

Jun 10, 2009 11:06 am

That margin of error could also widen the gap.

Jun 10, 2009 3:36 pm
CreditOnion:
Ron 14:

I understand what you mean, but I wouldn't say that aligning yourself with a particular party is foolish. I think it is important to stand for something even though that something isn't what it used to be.

 
I think it is time for a third option.



The only thing you'll find in the middle of the road are stripes and dead raccoons...

Jun 10, 2009 7:30 pm

These numbers change because the meatheads want to claim they have always been on the winning side. Ask people if they are fans of the Steelers or Phillies and the numbers will increase every time you ask because people want to be on the popular side.

Jun 10, 2009 8:00 pm

Ron that was pretty tame for you.  I was looking for something a little more defiant or incendiary. 

Jun 10, 2009 8:12 pm

I think there's something media related in the whole rise of the independants.  If you listen to guys like Glenn Beck or Hannity or Savage, they're distancing themselves from the GOP.  Hannity uses phrases like Reagan conservatives or Reagan republicans.  Beck refuses to claim he a part of any party and therefore is an independant.  Savage, well, he's just a pompous idiot, but he still despises both parties and uses the conservative title a lot.  I think those folks holding on to the Republican or Democrat title are more than likely not really educated enough to realize that the party they are pledging their allegiance to isn't the party they think it is. 

 
I find it funny that in the preamble to the Dem's 2008 national platform they say "We come together at a defining moment in the history of our nation - the nation that led the 20th century, built a thriving middle class, defeated fascism and communism, and provided bountiful opportunity to many.  We Democrats have a special commitment to this promise of America."  All the while leaning on the back of a man who has almost single handedly pushed our nation farther towards fascism and communism in the first 6 months of his term than this country has ever been.   How can you say that you have a special commitment to this promise of America if you are systematically destroying everything that made this country great. 
 
The GOP isn't much better.  They stand for free enterprise, free speech, limited government, and lower taxes.  They were originally founded out of a movement of people who thought that the government (Dems and Whigs at the time) should just give people who wanted it the land west of the Mississippi.  Today...who knows what they stand for. 
 
To align yourself with either party is foolish.  Neither one is doing what the core beliefs of the party dictate.  Thus if you can't align yourself with a party in good conscience, then you must be an independant.  Or apathetic when it comes to politics.  Unfortunately that is where too many of our citizens fall.
 
Now...where are my guns and my flag?   
Jun 10, 2009 8:29 pm
Spaceman Spiff:

I think there's something media related in the whole rise of the independants.  If you listen to guys like Glenn Beck or Hannity or Savage, they're distancing themselves from the GOP.  Hannity uses phrases like Reagan conservatives or Reagan republicans.  Beck refuses to claim he a part of any party and therefore is an independant.  Savage, well, he's just a pompous idiot, but he still despises both parties and uses the conservative title a lot.  I think those folks holding on to the Republican or Democrat title are more than likely not really educated enough to realize that the party they are pledging their allegiance to isn't the party they think it is. 

 
I find it funny that in the preamble to the Dem's 2008 national platform they say "We come together at a defining moment in the history of our nation - the nation that led the 20th century, built a thriving middle class, defeated fascism and communism, and provided bountiful opportunity to many.  We Democrats have a special commitment to this promise of America."  All the while leaning on the back of a man who has almost single handedly pushed our nation farther towards fascism and communism in the first 6 months of his term than this country has ever been.   How can you say that you have a special commitment to this promise of America if you are systematically destroying everything that made this country great. 
 
The GOP isn't much better.  They stand for free enterprise, free speech, limited government, and lower taxes.  They were originally founded out of a movement of people who thought that the government (Dems and Whigs at the time) should just give people who wanted it the land west of the Mississippi.  Today...who knows what they stand for. 
 
To align yourself with either party is foolish.  Neither one is doing what the core beliefs of the party dictate.  Thus if you can't align yourself with a party in good conscience, then you must be an independant.  Or apathetic when it comes to politics.  Unfortunately that is where too many of our citizens fall.
 
Now...where are my guns and my flag?   

opportunity to many. We Democrats have a special commitment to this promise of America.


 
 
 ---- I was amazed how similar the candidates in the most recent election were on a lot of issues, just to have the other side lobbing verbal grenades at the other over really important stuff like pregnant daughters and 10 year old parties. I am tired of it on both sides. Both of them have had toxic ideas and have lit this country on fire.
Jun 10, 2009 8:43 pm

I understand what you mean, but I wouldn't say that aligning yourself with a particular party is foolish. I think it is important to stand for something even though that something isn't what it used to be. If you believe in the fundamentals of a particular party you can't just jump off because recent history has you frustrated.

 
The positive side to all of this economic / political crap is this is exactly how the system should work. A huge middle class needs to be maintained with people who are too busy to be concerned with the big picture and instead just go about their lives day by day. Not angry enough to fight and too content to make any significant change. The wheel just continues to turn as 90% of the public just goes to work each and every day and the cycle continues.
Jun 10, 2009 8:47 pm
Ron 14:

I understand what you mean, but I wouldn't say that aligning yourself with a particular party is foolish. I think it is important to stand for something even though that something isn't what it used to be.

 
I think it is time for a third option.
Jun 10, 2009 8:56 pm

I won't argue that. I wish a 3rd party would gain some momentum and get people energized.

Jun 10, 2009 11:55 pm

As long as we do not have term limits, our system will be flawed.