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Nov 10, 2008 6:38 pm

My stomach hurts.  I'll tell you why.  Last night my wife and I were watching the news when a story about a church in North St. Louis comes on.  The "pastor" at that church spent his entire sermon time talking about the history and rise to presidency of Obama.  So, I come into the office this morning and I'm talking about it with my BOA.  She wants to know the name of the church.  So, I look on myfoxstl.com and find this story: 

 
http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=7825705
 
So, why aren't all these churches talking about how to save people's mortal souls or feeding the orphans and widows?  How come there weren't any news crews in my church Sunday featuring what my pastor was talking about? 
 
Do these people really think he's the next messiah?  Or am I reading this thing completely wrong? 
Nov 10, 2008 6:45 pm

I wonder how they reconcile their beliefs and the fact that #2 on the list of first priorities is stem cell research.  Funny, I  thought the economy would be #1 (it was #3) because that is all we heard about during the campaign.  I do not recall any talk of stem cell research.  Guess now that he has won, we get to see the unedited agenda.

Nov 10, 2008 7:06 pm

I heard they believe for every Republican they convert Obama will give them 14 virgins w/ ghetto booties when they get to heaven.

Nov 10, 2008 7:36 pm
Spaceman Spiff:
 
Do these people really think he's the next messiah? 
 
Yes.
 
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obamawin_causes_obsessive?utm_source=EMTF_Onion
Nov 10, 2008 9:17 pm

Primo, they reconcile it the same way good religious people across this country reconcile the killing of innocents in the two wars we're currently fighting.


And here we go-


At least with stem cell research there is the potential to save many lives down the road as research leads to new medical treatments.


Of course we could all live as anabaptists and take a 200 year step back instead of moving forward.
Nov 10, 2008 10:47 pm

BG, I can't say that I disagree too strongly with your response.  However, you missed my point.  Where was the talk about stem cell research in the campaign?  The vast majority of the campaign focused on 8 years of failed policies that got us into the mess we are in now.  The economy is the #3 priority now?  AGENDA was the key word in my post.

Nov 11, 2008 10:24 am

Primo, you're right i did misread your post. Still, I'm not hearing that the economy has been moved from the top of the agenda.

Nov 11, 2008 11:13 am

What do we suppose The One has in mind with his "Civilian Security Force that is as powerful and well funded as the military"?

 
There have been very well established Civilian Security Forces in places like Poland and China--you know, neighbors who are to keep an eye on neighbors.
 
This citizen doesn't care for the idea, but then I'm now in the minority.
Nov 11, 2008 11:41 am
BondGuy:

Primo, they reconcile it the same way good religious people across this country reconcile the killing of innocents in the two wars we're currently fighting.


And here we go-


At least with stem cell research there is the potential to save many lives down the road as research leads to new medical treatments.


Of course we could all live as anabaptists and take a 200 year step back instead of moving forward.
 
Speaking as one of those good religious people in this country, if you mean killing terrorists, I reconcile that one pretty well. 
 
I notice you do the same thing the rest of the libs do when talking about stem cell research.  You make no distinction between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research.  To you folks it's all the same.  Who cares where we get the stem cells, let's just get them. 
 
Don't you find it strange that one of the two executive orders he's going to rescind as soon as his happy butt hits the chair has to do with abortion?  Seriously, he can't think of anything more productive to be spending his time thinking about than abortion.  And you know what that executive order says?  It says that countries we send aid to can't use that aid money to fund abortions.  Heaven forbid we tell people that they have to use OUR TAX DOLLARS for something productive rather than killing unborn babies. 
 
Actually, I believe that if Mr. Obama gets his way, our country could possibly be headed the way of the anabaptists.  That is after those "innocent people" in other countries come over here and IED the crap out of us.  And they'll be able to since he basically wants to do away with our second amendment rights and reduce the military to nothing.  I wonder if they need a Jones office in Moscow?  Perhaps my family would be safer there. 
Nov 11, 2008 3:29 pm
BondGuy:
Of course we could all live as anabaptists and take a 200 year step back instead of moving forward.
 
MY wife works for a company run by Anabaptists that are Mennonites. They are just as modern as you or I. The biggest difference is their attitude about life and charity. I have never met a more upbeat group of people. They run a non-profit P & C company that returns excess premiums to Anabaptist charities. It is a great company to work for.
Nov 11, 2008 3:40 pm
CreditOnion:
BondGuy:
Of course we could all live as anabaptists and take a 200 year step back instead of moving forward.
 
MY wife works for a company run by Anabaptists that are Mennonites. They are just as modern as you or I. The biggest difference is their attitude about life and charity. I have never met a more upbeat group of people. They run a non-profit P & C company that returns excess premiums to Anabaptist charities. It is a great company to work for.
 
+1
Have you guys read the "after action report" on the Amish (I know the diff. between Amish and Mennonite, btw) community in PA after that guy shot those children in the school a couple years ago?  The elders of that community going to the wife/widow of the guy that did it, and extending forgiveness, and then forwarding funds to her that were sent to them.  I'm humbled beyond expression when I think about that.  THAT's the kind of neighbor I want organizing my community.  Not beating anyone up here, just saying regardless of what you believe, actions like that speak volumes beyond any chest pounding.
Nov 11, 2008 5:26 pm
BondGuy:

Primo, they reconcile it the same way good religious people across this country reconcile the killing of innocents in the two wars we're currently fighting.


Or perhaps the way so many others in this country reconcile the killing of more than 50 million innocent unborn babies since Roe v Wade in 1973.  And it's not just the sheer difference in magnitude, it's the night and day difference in the intended outcomes: the thousands of unintentional casualties of war on the one hand and the intentional killing of millions of unborn babies each year on the other.

BondGuy:

At least with stem cell research there is the potential to save many lives down the road as research leads to new medical treatments.

Does the end justify the means in your calculation?  Or even simply the potential ends justify the means? 

BondGuy:

Of course we could all live as anabaptists and take a 200 year step back instead of moving forward.


Are you suggesting that religious people generally are backwards, or that the morality of a society as a whole increases inevitably over time? 

Nov 11, 2008 7:02 pm
BondGuy:

Primo, you're right i did misread your post. Still, I'm not hearing that the economy has been moved from the top of the agenda.

 
It was moved from #1 in the campaign (before the election) to #3 after the win behind health care for children (not talked about explicitly during the campaign) and stem cell research (to my memory, not talked about AT ALL during the campaign).  My point is, what he campaigned on and his actual agenda does not seem to match.
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122611134918910647.html