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Mar 1, 2006 2:15 pm

[quote=csmelnix]

It is there in bold that is the crux...it was not done other than by the president stating the deal itself was.

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Wrong, as usual. It was the Treasury Department under the law written by the Congress and they announced their decision in January. The White House didn't even have a hand in it.

You should try to keep up, it's been in all the papers.

[quote=csmelnix]

  Congress was not a party until after the fact ..

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IAW the law the Congress wrote. They're not part of the decision process. Its seems that NOW the complaint is that the administration followed the law...

[quote=csmelnix]...nor was information made available to them until after as well. 

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BZZZZZZ, wrong, but thanks for playing. See McCain's comments about hysteria. The information was public.

[quote=csmelnix] 
MB, would also like to thank you again for proving our TOE the Line belief in calling on the Republicans who dared disagree with YOU and the Pres. as gutless and reelection focused. 

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And thank you again for being the "disgusted republican" that shouts the Democrat talking points, line by line, from the rooftops.

Mar 1, 2006 2:17 pm

[quote=csmelnix] <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Mike,

This is why you are a moron in my eyes. 

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And this sort of childish name calling when you're caught out is why I couldn’t care less what you think. First you claim a review wasn’t made, then you claim you never said it.

 [quote=csmelnix]

 You gloss over responding to any of my questions with worthless dribble. 

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Your “questions” about the security of the deal and the review process were answered, and they were answered by people involved in the detailed process. I gave you a link, I suggest you read it. No less than the CJCS has reviewed this and you pretend you have some insight to share on the subject that escaped his review.

You continue with your laughable “<?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Syria = the UEA” line in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[quote=csmelnix]

 So UAE lost more soldiers than Syria... wasn't your question on what I could prove about Syria supporting our efforts in the first Gulf War?  Funny how you always come back with crap when you get proved wrong.

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I gave you evidence of UAE support in first Gulf War, you attempted to minimize the UAE’s contribution. What’s even funnier is your attempt to portray the two countries as being similar today despite the ongoing government support by Syria of terrorism in Lebanon and Iraq. It’s just bizarre beyond words. Just another symptom of BDS.

[quote=csmelnix]

 

Second, on my comments with the FBI, CIA etc.. read on what I said, none of the information was out there...

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You mean you didn’t know it. That’s not the same thing as “not out there”. The Treasury Department released its decision in January. McCain calls it “hysterics” and he’s right.

[quote=csmelnix]

 

Hey I am still waiting on that 1980's info where the US and the UAE were such buddy buddy nations that we had our ships in their ports and troops in their land like today?  After all, you did say they have always been friends of ours.

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When did I say anything about the 1980s, and when did I say “always”? I’ve always said since 9/11.

 

Mar 1, 2006 2:30 pm

I would really hate to argue with eiter one of you.  Just shake hands and walk away.

Mar 1, 2006 2:35 pm

[quote=frumhere]I would really hate to argue with eiter one of you.  Just shake hands and walk away.[/quote]

Good point, I could save time and hear everything he'd say by reading a press release from Chuckie Schumer  

Less politics and more business, I say 

Mar 1, 2006 4:08 pm
mikebutler222
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Joined: Sept. 13 2005
Posts: 777 Posted: Feb. 28 2006 at 12:34pm | IP Logged

More from the above website;

The UAE has been on our side from the beginning. We've been using their ports and airfields since the 1980s. They fought alongside us during Desert Storm, and sent troops to Afghanistan for Enduring Freedom. During Iraqi Freedom, they sent troops to Kuwait as part of the Peninsular Defense Force.

Mar 1, 2006 4:16 pm

[quote=mikebutler222]

More from the above website;

The UAE has been on our side from the beginning. We've been using their ports and airfields since the 1980s. They fought alongside us during Desert Storm, and sent troops to Afghanistan for Enduring Freedom. During Iraqi Freedom, they sent troops to Kuwait as part of the Peninsular Defense Force.

Is any of that true of Syria?

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As the post clearly says, it's from a website, they're not my words. I even gave you the link to follow up. BTW, your assertions about Syria went without any such link or supporting evidence.

Now, back to work

Mar 1, 2006 4:22 pm

Mccain hysteria statement:   Pretty obvious when you read his 2 statements that NO - the treasury department's announcement on the deal was not public; but held private as the CFIUS law allows.  And also that Congress did not have information in January.  How can you argue that considering the freakn president didn't know about it until a week before it was made public - around Feb 14th?  In your eyes now Mccain's right and promoted, but boy he was one of the gutless Republican's on another thread when he disagreed with your view on how the Iraq war has been prosecuted...TOE THE LINE > it's ok to disagree with somebody's point of view and they can still be a good Republican or Democrat.  But then again, you are the one who knows better about everything and everyone so who are we to question anything you say.

Tuesday, Feb 28, 2006  

· Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding this hearing about the proposed transfer of terminal operations from the Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Company to Dubai Ports World. It is my hope that over the next 45 days, Congress and the public will keep an open mind while learning the facts of the transaction and not succumb to the hysteria that has been promoted by some.

· A lot has been said and written in the past week about this transaction, but thus far I have found nothing that leads me to believe that it would negatively impact our nation’s port security.

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006   Washington D.C. ­– The following is a statement by Senator John McCain on the debate over the Bush Administration’s decision to allow Dubai Ports World of the United Arab Emirates to manage U.S. sea ports.

“We all need to take a moment and not rush to judgment on this matter without knowing all the facts. The President’s leadership has earned our trust in the war on terror, and surely his administration deserves the presumption that they would not sell our security short. Dubai has cooperated with us in the war and deserves to be treated respectfully. By all means, let’s do due diligence, get briefings, seek answers to all relevant questions and assurances that defense officials and the intelligence community were involved in the examination and approval of this transaction. In other words, let’s make a judgment when we possess all the pertinent facts. Until then, all we can offer is heat and little light to the discussion.”
Mar 1, 2006 4:26 pm

A link to a blog with input from opinionated people is your proof. Uh!

A link to my info - just go to the library of Congress or DOD site and search about facts on the Gulf War, it spells it out pretty well.

It will also explain how we didn't have the type of arrangement you hinted at with regards to port and troop presence there since the 80's - factual inaccuracies THAT YOU stated while contesting mine.

Mar 1, 2006 5:00 pm

[quote=csmelnix]

A link to a blog with input from opinionated people is your proof. Uh!

A link to my info - just go to the library of Congress or DOD site and search about facts on the Gulf War, it spells it out pretty well.

It will also explain how we didn't have the type of arrangement you hinted at with regards to port and troop presence there since the 80's - factual inaccuracies THAT YOU stated while contesting mine.

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Let's see.. I provide a link to the website....make it clear in my post... you provide nothing.... you complain.... yep, that sums you up well.....

Mar 1, 2006 5:14 pm

This is the last time I'm doing your homewrok for you;

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/uae.htm

United Arab Emirates Facilities

The United Arab Emirates [UAE] has provided valuable support to the United States and coalition operations in the region, allowing the deployment of aircraft and the use of its airspace. This includes facilities for an aerial refueling unit that supports Operation Southern Watch as part of UN sanctions against Iraq, and liberty privileges for US service members at the port of Jebel Ali.

Intensive use has been made of commercial ports, including about 200 calls a year at the Jebel Ali port in the United Arab Emirates. Other important ports [Mina] in the UAE are Abu Dhabi, Al Fujayrah, Khawr Fakkan, Mina Khalid, Mina Rashid, Mina Saqr, and Mina Zayid. The Fujairah to Jebel Ali land link is the Navy’s logistics pipeline to the Gulf should the Strait of Hormuz be closed. Cargo unloaded at Al Fujairah, on the Gulf of Oman, can be subsequently transported via highway to destinations on the Arabian Gulf and hence bypass the need for transit through the Strait of Hormuz.

The United States has enjoyed friendly relations with the UAE since 1971. Private commercial ties, especially in petroleum, have developed into friendly government-to-government ties which include security assistance. The breadth, depth, and quality of U.S.-UAE relations increased dramatically as a result of the U.S.-led coalition's campaign to end the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait. The United States was the third country to establish formal diplomatic relations with the UAE and has had an ambassador resident in the UAE since 1974.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/centcom-map1 _2002.htm

Take a look at the above map....note all the facilties in Syria...

And while the UAE has been assisting (evidence above), Syria has been....

http://globalsecurity.insightful.com/jsp/docQuery.jsp?docId= 82656&sid=-1&txt=syria