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Jun 18, 2009 5:30 pm

Ever make returns that are large enough that you're no longer comfortable telling a new client what to expect?

 
Had a meeting with an endowment committee today. They tore the trades and account apart in pieces, every single trade every single penny. They actually understand what I'm doing to my amazement.
 
I told them anything less than full boat transactional fees, in a very heavily traded and large account, were not economically feasible for me for the time and effort expended as I had originally offered 1.5%.
 
They were like bauble heads ok ok no prob. It's nice to feel appreciated.
 
True story, swear to the big guy.
 
GOD I LOVE THIS BUSINESS!!!!!!!!
Jun 18, 2009 5:38 pm

Great job, Gaddock.  I'm curious, though:  With these great returns, what is your motivation to stay on the retail side?  Why not take your talents to the institutional side and let someone else handle the rainmaking?  Seems to me you're in a perfect spot to partner up with a top-notch prospector and absolutely kill it.

Jun 18, 2009 5:58 pm

Huh, never thought about it.


Ron will certainly jump on and give me a hard time for not trading for myself. Ron, I have a valid reason, it's why I trade nothing in my account I do in my clients...

Emotional baggage


Thanks for you thoughts Deekay
Jun 18, 2009 6:15 pm

Emotional baggage ?

Jun 18, 2009 6:20 pm
Ron 14:

Emotional baggage ?

 
I trade my accounts cold cool and collect. There is no emotion involved, only planned methodology. That's how I managed to kick it in the big slide.
 
If I put my own money on the line fear and greed enter the picture.
 
Kind of like a person that represents them-self has a fool for a client.
Jun 18, 2009 9:31 pm

Makes sense

Jun 19, 2009 9:59 am

Gaddock,

 
Not if you're 100% confident in you methodology.   Easier said than done though.
Jun 19, 2009 11:58 am

What's unbelievable is that, being as great as you say you are, that your clients aren't providing you with sufficient ego stroke to the point that you feel the need to come here for additional anonymous stroking.

Jun 19, 2009 12:21 pm

We all like anonymous stroking!!!!  

 
But the hands better be very womanlike.  Like an actual woman's hands!
Jun 19, 2009 1:59 pm
jkl1v1n6:

We all like anonymous stroking!!!!  

 
But the hands better be very womanlike.  Like an actual woman's hands!




If you sit on your hands for 20 minutes, they will go numb. When that happens, clear the snorkel. It will feel like someone else is doing it.

Jun 19, 2009 4:40 pm
YHWY:

What's unbelievable is that, being as great as you say you are, that your clients aren't providing you with sufficient ego stroke to the point that you feel the need to come here for additional anonymous stroking.

 
Sour Grapes? 
 
 
Jun 19, 2009 4:43 pm
jkl1v1n6:

Gaddock,

 
Not if you're 100% confident in you methodology.   Easier said than done though.
 
100% confidence in a method? not even close. If you try to trade your own cash with size you'll find out quick what I'm talking about.
Jun 19, 2009 5:32 pm
Alice Cooper:
jkl1v1n6:

We all like anonymous stroking!!!!  

 
But the hands better be very womanlike.  Like an actual woman's hands!




If you sit on your hands for 20 minutes, they will go numb. When that happens, clear the snorkel. It will feel like someone else is doing it.



LAWL!!!!

I'm BerkshireBull and I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!

Jul 17, 2009 4:58 pm

Statistics removed, safe to say is was a VERY good month.


The last few days of market action was a gift from the big guy upstairs.
Will somebody please stroke me now?
Jul 17, 2009 5:26 pm

Fill us in on your methodology!

Jul 17, 2009 7:27 pm

Send me a PM

Jul 17, 2009 11:09 pm

Yea , that's what killed me  , trading my own money . 

Jul 18, 2009 7:55 am
stickem:

Yea , that's what killed me  , trading my own money . 

 
Amen to that. Until you trade your $$ with size you wont understand even though you think you do.
 
Even prop trading for a firm brings emotions to the table that most can't shake. I've found trading as a retail broker has not brought any of the "baggage" into the formula.
 
If one can trade with no emotion it is a rather large edge over those that do.
Jul 26, 2009 4:02 pm

understandable---you can do it with my money, though....how about that??

 
Except you no longer get paid on any trade under $95, right?
 
 
seriously, Have you looked at the PIM program?
Jul 26, 2009 5:11 pm

$50 for options and yes I'm trying to get a PIM going but there are AUM and LOA issues that I don't meet. The 2 managers above me are on board.

 
If the client cant take positions that are over $50 in commissions I'll put them in a wrap account otherwise they get killed by commissions.