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Dec 1, 2006 7:12 pm

Mike,


I came across this today and thought you might find it interesting sice you're a fan of conspiracy theorists.


Quote:



"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


From page 405 of (David) Rockefeller's 2002 book Memoirs.


Hmmmm....I think confession is the only proof I'd need.  How about you?


Note that he says he's guilty of being part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States.


What say you?

Dec 1, 2006 7:18 pm

definition of secret (from dictionary.com):


secret /sikrt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[see-krit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation


–adjective







–noun





—Idiom


Definition of cabal:


cabal /kbæl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh-bal] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -balled, -balling.


–noun


–verb (used without object)


Conspire is the root for conspiracy.  


It looks to me that the above confession is about as good evidence as one can find to support that there is in fact a Conspiracy (whatever form that may be is up for question).


Whether or nor the 'theories' are on the money as to the motivations and methods is certainly up for debate. 

Dec 2, 2006 1:09 am

Ok....I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but explain one thing to me.......How can it be a 'secret conspiracy' if you read about it in his autobiography?

Dec 2, 2006 1:33 am
joedabrkr:

Ok....I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but explain one thing to me.......How can it be a 'secret conspiracy' if you read about it in his autobiography?


That's pretty funny, JoeDaMan...

Dec 2, 2006 2:04 am
Indyone:
joedabrkr:

Ok....I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but explain one thing to me.......How can it be a 'secret conspiracy' if you read about it in his autobiography?


That's pretty funny, JoeDaMan...



thx but in all honesty I wasn't even trying to be funny on that one....I just think it's odd to call something "secret" that was published in a damn book!

Dec 4, 2006 8:48 am
dude:

.... to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."



Note that he says he's guilty of being part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States.




I say I missed the part where he said he was working against the best interests of the US....just where did he say that?

Dec 4, 2006 1:36 pm
mikebutler222:
dude:

.... to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."



Note that he says he's guilty of being part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States.



"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


I say I missed the part where he said he was working against the best interests of the US....just where did he say that?



Here you go buddy.

Dec 4, 2006 1:37 pm

Oh and mike, just to make it clear that statement (about working against the interestes of the US) and the admission of guilt are in the same sentence.  No way around this friend, it is a clear admission.

Dec 4, 2006 1:41 pm

I will note that this obviously is a long way from making any connection between 911 or any other allegations that the many conspiracy theorists believe.  I just thought it was pretty interesting that David Rockefeller would be so bold to say he is proud of working against the United States interests.

Dec 4, 2006 1:53 pm
joedabrkr:

Ok....I know I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but explain one thing to me.......How can it be a 'secret conspiracy' if you read about it in his autobiography?


Joe,


I was using his own words (secret cabal).  I don't know why he would admit to it.  I would guess that the conspiracy (to do away with the US and absorb it into the fold of a UN-like world government) is not a secret (think NAFTA,CAFTA, Euro etc...), but their methods and approaches to persuading the masses are? 


I happen to be open to the idea that events like September 11th are very persuasive...how else would you convince someone to give up their birthrights other than threatening their safety or by fraud?  The Great Depression motivated alot of folks to give up their gold (real money) for Federal Reserve Notes (fiat money based on debt/indenture) in exchange for Social Security (I'm oversimplifying a little, but the concept is what I'm addressing here).


I think Americans would gladly submit to a 'Global Government' if they were scared enough.


Dec 4, 2006 2:48 pm

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


I don't believe he was admitting to being a member of a secret cabal but saying that the charge is that he and his family have propmoting an integrated global political an economic structure and he is saying guilty as charged.   It is other people who believe that he is part of a secret cabal..... he never said he was, only that he has been characterized as such by ideological extremists.  You need to read the entire paragraph, not just the last few words.


I have no opinion on this topic.  Just that I think you have misinterpreted his comment and possibly have it out of context with the rest of the statement that isn't shown here.

Dec 4, 2006 2:49 pm
dude:

I just thought it was pretty interesting that David Rockefeller would be so bold to say he is proud of working against the United States interests.


I think that's a bit of a stretch. I think he's "admitting" to ".. to build a more integrated global political and economic structure .." and that others would (and have) consider that a "conspiracy" and "against US interests". 


I don't have much doubt that he considers it IN the US's interests, do you?

Dec 4, 2006 2:50 pm

aagh proof read first!!  Promoting  not propmoting

Dec 4, 2006 2:52 pm
dude:

I would guess that the conspiracy (to do away with the US and absorb it into the fold of a UN-like world government) is not a secret (think NAFTA,CAFTA, Euro etc...), but their methods and approaches to persuading the masses are? 


I think you overstate the aims of this "conspiracy". It could be explained not as an attempt to "absorb" anything, but to lessen the tensions created by excessive nationalism and towards better world co-operation.

Dec 4, 2006 2:53 pm
babbling looney:

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."


I don't believe he was admitting to being a member of a secret cabal but saying that the charge is that he and his family have propmoting an integrated global political an economic structure and he is saying guilty as charged.   It is other people who believe that he is part of a secret cabal..... he never said he was, only that he has been characterized as such by ideological extremists.  You need to read the entire paragraph, not just the last few words.


I have no opinion on this topic.  Just that I think you have misinterpreted his comment and possibly have it out of context with the rest of the statement that isn't shown here.




My thoughts exactly.

Dec 4, 2006 2:55 pm
dude:

I happen to be open to the idea that events like September 11th are very persuasive...how else would you convince someone to give up their birthrights other than threatening their safety or by fraud? ....



I think Americans would gladly submit to a 'Global Government' if they were scared enough.




Actually "scaring" anyone, Americans especially, would cause them to grasp closer their national identity and security, imho.

Dec 4, 2006 3:46 pm

I never realized that I'm among the illiterate here. 


You all MIGHT be right if he had seperated the issues...but in ONE sentence he states a charge.  In the next he responds to the charge.


There's a comma in the sentence not a period. 


I'm sure David Rockefeller is literate and wrote his sentence correctly. 


Dec 4, 2006 3:49 pm
mikebutler222:
dude:

I happen to be open to the idea that events like September 11th are very persuasive...how else would you convince someone to give up their birthrights other than threatening their safety or by fraud? ....



I think Americans would gladly submit to a 'Global Government' if they were scared enough.




Actually "scaring" anyone, Americans especially, would cause them to grasp closer their national identity and security, imho.



Yeah, security is the suspension of habeas corpus right?  HAH!  The rights we hold dear are built upon habeas corpus.

Dec 4, 2006 4:22 pm

Yeah, security is the suspension of habeas corpus right?  HAH!  The rights we hold dear are built upon habeas corpus.


The rights that I hold dear are built on Smith and Wesson.

Dec 4, 2006 4:45 pm

This is another quote from the above 'Internationalist':


"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years........It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."



Hmmmmmm.  I must be wrong here.