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Jul 23, 2007 10:18 pm

[quote=Dust Bunny]

DB, i luv ya but

Snipped the tasteless flogging of dead soldiers for your own use to score points in an internet argument.

I'm sure that makes sense to someone, somewhere. Nice use of the dead, btw.

This is what really bothers me about these types of arguments and especially those from the leftists.  First, you use the names of dead soldiers, some one's private pain, so you can do gotcha on the internet.  If I were to see my relative or friends name used as a checker on a board so you can get one up in an argument, I would want to hunt you down and kneecap you.

And the right (or is it rightist?) tell us the U.S.Body count in Iraq is only 4000 and to stop whining. Ok for the right ot pull in the dead to 'Gotcha" but not the left? At least the left (I believe it to more the centered view) isn't so cold as casually say it's only 4000 what's the big deal?

You guys always throw out the "we care about the soldiers" smoke screen, when it is obvious that you don't care about them in the flesh, just the abstract.  If you did, you wouldn't be supporting the people who are trying to kill them (and us) by giving verbal encouragement to continue fighting..... after all....we are just about to run tail and hide.

I'm tired of the "we're helping them win the war" by doing no more than exercising my right to free speech. Their leaders are the ones giving them encouragement. I'm speaking out about the mismanagement of a war that should have been mopped up by now. And i'm screaming mad my leaders have gotten us into this mess. It will be the critics of this administration who force change for the better, not those who go along with the status que. Note i didn't say we should pull out of Iraq. How about we stop the half assed prosecution of the war? Lets start there.

Same situation goes with calmly discussing pulling out of the Middle East with out any real feeling or actual concern for what is going to happen to the people we are abandoning.   I don't care to rehash all the fine points leading up to where we are now.  That's pointless. 

We are not responsible for these people. From their POV we don't have a better way. 

In trying to score gotcha points on your opponents, you (generic you meaning leftist..nothing personal...yet) ignore the certainty that millions of real living, breathing people with hopes and dreams are going to be slaughtered.   Even Obama is up with genocide as long as it helps him win an election.  This is despicable.

This endless bickering about things in the past, blind refusal to acknowledge the present and future consequences of our actions and obstructionism is going to be the end of our country.  We have a Congress right now that is as usless as tits on a boar ( old family saying)  They are screwing around trying to find an impeachment needle in a haystack and accomplishing nothing.   Well, not exactly nothing, they have earned the contempt of the American People and have the lowest regard EVER for Congress.  You do know what happens when the majority of the people hates their own government don't you?

Yep, we elect a guy whose only success was turning a profit with a baseball team by stealing people's property. He made out very well. The people who lost their homes and businesses, not as well. That's what happens when someone tries to find an impeachment needle in a haystack, spends millions doing it, and finally comes up with something that 50 years ago wouldn't get a second nodd. That's what happens. The people turn off, forget it's not about who's blowing who and and make a tragic mistake. one we'll pay for for a long time.

That said, this congress is no bargain and Hillary will be the next president

[/quote]
Jul 23, 2007 10:18 pm

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

Are you stupid because you're a leftist, or are you a leftist because you're stupid?

The reason Mayor Nagin came up was because one of you dimbulbs tried to link the Hurricane Katrina fiasco with the War in Iraq.

Those of us who think know that what happened in New Orleans is the fault of the Mayor and the Governor--that the Federal government had no responsibility for what happened because dealing with storms is a state and local issue.

As it should be.

[/quote]

And what makes you think that I am a leftist?  Because I don't see success occurring with the Iraq situation?  So, Domenici (NM), Gregg (NH), Alexander (TN), and Hagel (NE) are leftist, too???  [Okay, maybe Hagel is a bit, but the others?]

Many of you have made way too many assumptions today.  If anyone is of the resolve that, "If you don't agree with me, you are an idiot/leftist/terrorist supporter" then you really need to sit back and reflect on what it is to be an American and what it means to live in a democracy.  This is not a dictatorship, not a communist country, it is a democracy and it is okay for others to have other opinions.  It doesn't make them the enemy.

I voted for George W. two times.  I have been disappointed and thought things would be quite different during his second term.  The turmoil within the administration is very questionable, in my mind.  The continued escalation of the war, even when not in the advice of advisors, is questionable, in my mind.  Does this make me a leftist?

No matter what you think I am, I know one thing for sure.  That is, I'm not a puppet and can think for myself.  If you don't agree with me, fine - convince me how I am wrong.  Resorting to name calling isn't very convincing.

Enough of my ramblings.  I hope each of you have a good night.

God bless you (right or left) and God bless America!

Jul 23, 2007 11:01 pm

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

Are you stupid because you’re a leftist, or are you a leftist because you’re stupid?



The reason Mayor Nagin came up was because one of you dimbulbs tried to link the Hurricane Katrina fiasco with the War in Iraq.



Those of us who think know that what happened in New Orleans is the fault of the Mayor and the Governor–that the Federal government had no responsibility for what happened because dealing with storms is a state and local issue.



As it should be.

[/quote]



What does FEMA mean to you?



Here’s what the FEMA website says:



The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.



Preparedness - wasn’t there a book a few years ago that walked through this EXACT scenario & how it might unfold? Emergency preparedness is not - just - a state & local responsiblity.



Also, when there are significant cutbacks in aid to states as there has been in the past 6 yrs, state’s do what we would do - deal with the urgent & obvious and cut back on the important and less immediate.



I think that’s why a certain Democrat President has FEMA as a cabinet-level agency instead of a line hidden in a much larger agency.
Jul 23, 2007 11:49 pm

[quote=mikebutler222][quote=BondGuy][quote=mikebutler222]

No one said "blame Islam". We've all been pretty clear that we're talking about Islamic extremists. Those would be the people who believe their religion calls them to establish the dominance of their religion over all others, to kill non-believers and to fly planes into buildings.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote]

You call them Islamic extremist yet you don't blame Islam? That's a contradiction. [/quote]

Not in the least. I blame RADICAL Islam. For all I know mainstream Islam doesn't advocate killing non-believers and doesn't favor flying planes into buildings.

Again, your burning desire to play down the fantical religious nature of their motivation makes no sense.

[/quote]

Ok, I'd buy that if there was a such thing as radical Islam. There isn't. There is something called radical Islam that has been created by our media. They have to put a name on it so that's what they call it. What it really is, is terrorist who are miss using religion to build an army of lethal misguided uneducated people to slaughter everyone who doesn't tow the line. The line being whatever they say the Quran says it is.

What's sadly tragic is how many people have bought into this spin. That this is that this is a holy war. At least the poor people of the middle east have an excuse. They are uneducated and their access to the truth is severely censored. Believing what your leaders tell you the holy book says is your only choice when you don't know how to read.  What's your excuse? You are an educated person who is making the same mistake, that it's about religion.

It's about domination.

Jul 23, 2007 11:58 pm

[quote=Ashland]

What does FEMA mean to you?

QUOTE]

What did FEMA not do that you think was their responsibiliity?

Was New Orleans aware that they were ground zero for the hurricane?

The answer is yes--and at that point the Federal government was out of the picture.

It was up to the city and state to evacuate the city.  They did not do that.

It was up to the state to mobilize the National Guard.  The governor did not do that for days and days, and when she finally did the situation was out of control.

There is no intellectually honest way to deflect blame for that fiasco from where it belongs--Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.

Jul 24, 2007 12:57 am

What it really is, is terrorist who are miss using religion to build an army of lethal misguided uneducated people to slaughter everyone who doesn't tow the line.

It's tough to agree with you when there isn't an outcry of Muslims speaking out against the terrorism.

Jul 24, 2007 1:07 am

[quote=anonymous]

What it really is, is terrorist who are miss using religion to build an army of lethal misguided uneducated people to slaughter everyone who doesn't tow the line.

It's tough to agree with you when there isn't an outcry of Muslims speaking out against the terrorism.

[/quote]

There is absolutely an outcry from Muslims speaking out against the terrorism. Spend some time with Muslims and you'll see for yourself.

The problem is Muslims have no voice in this country. Most of us don't know any Muslims and don't want to know any Muslims.

I too would love to fall into the "if you want us to stop persecuting you get your people in line" type of thinking but i can go there. It's like asking Christians to stop the KKK or else. Way to easy.

As I said, it's sad that the terrorist have co-opted Islam as their recruitment tool and hammer.

That's not to say that there aren't many Muslims who do hate us. But as far as that goes take a number. Mostly we don't deserve to be hated. But plenty of people do just that. An that hate is non denominational.

Jul 24, 2007 1:31 am

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=Ashland]

What does FEMA mean to you?

QUOTE]

What did FEMA not do that you think was their responsibiliity?

Was New Orleans aware that they were ground zero for the hurricane?

The answer is yes--and at that point the Federal government was out of the picture.

It was up to the city and state to evacuate the city.  They did not do that.

It was up to the state to mobilize the National Guard.  The governor did not do that for days and days, and when she finally did the situation was out of control.

There is no intellectually honest way to deflect blame for that fiasco from where it belongs--Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.

[/quote]

Actually DA, you've got something wrong here. Nagin did evacuate the city in plenty of time to get the job done. In fact, if anything went right it was the evacuation.

The city had a plan for those who could not evacuate, put them in the largest and thought to be strongest building the city owned, the Superdome, until the calvary, read FEMA, arrived. The city did that.

That the Superdome fell apart is nobody's fault. It took a direct hit.

That people died in their homes? Their own tragically stupid fault for not evcauating when ordered to do so.

Same for those who we watched in those daring rescues by the Coast Guard. And by the way, the Coast Guard was the only Govt agency worthy of praise.

So exactly what did Nagin do wrong? Nothing!

I don't like Nagin or Blanco but they're not the ones who screwed up here. And with the exception of the one or two Bush admin apologist who missed the split screen CNN shot of Chertoff screen right saying he wasn't aware of any crisis at the Superdome while on screen left streaming live video of said crisis played, the entire nation saw exactly who was to blame. And it wasn't nagin or Blanco.

Of course then there's George W ducking blame saying he wasn't briefed about the storm playing split screen with his briefing of the storm by the head of the Natl Hurricane service. That briefing was released by the Natl Hurricane center to deflect criticism that they had failed to do their job in briefing the Prez. They did brief him and had the tape to prove it. What they could never know was that they would be put in a position to have to prove it by none other than the president himself.

Jul 24, 2007 1:52 am

[quote=BondGuy][quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=Ashland]

What does FEMA mean to you?

[/quote]

What did FEMA not do that you think was their responsibiliity?

Was New Orleans aware that they were ground zero for the hurricane?

The answer is yes--and at that point the Federal government was out of the picture.

It was up to the city and state to evacuate the city.  They did not do that.

It was up to the state to mobilize the National Guard.  The governor did not do that for days and days, and when she finally did the situation was out of control.

There is no intellectually honest way to deflect blame for that fiasco from where it belongs--Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.

[/quote]

Actually DA, you've got something wrong here. Nagin did evacuate the city in plenty of time to get the job done. In fact, if anything went right it was the evacuation.

The city had a plan for those who could not evacuate, put them in the largest and thought to be strongest building the city owned, the Superdome, until the calvary, read FEMA, arrived. The city did that.

That the Superdome fell apart is nobody's fault. It took a direct hit.

That people died in their homes? Their own tragically stupid fault for not evcauating when ordered to do so.

Same for those who we watched in those daring rescues by the Coast Guard. And by the way, the Coast Guard was the only Govt agency worthy of praise.

So exactly what did Nagin do wrong? Nothing!

I don't like Nagin or Blanco but they're not the ones who screwed up here. And with the exception of the one or two Bush admin apologist who missed the split screen CNN shot of Chertoff screen right saying he wasn't aware of any crisis at the Superdome while on screen left streaming live video of said crisis played, the entire nation saw exactly who was to blame. And it wasn't nagin or Blanco.

Of course then there's George W ducking blame saying he wasn't briefed about the storm playing split screen with his briefing of the storm by the head of the Natl Hurricane service. That briefing was released by the Natl Hurricane center to deflect criticism that they had failed to do their job in briefing the Prez. They did brief him and had the tape to prove it. What they could never know was that they would be put in a position to have to prove it by none other than the president himself.

[/quote]

Nonsense.   Mayor Nagin allowed dozens of school buses sit idle while people were walking out of town.

The governor could not stop playing Hamlet regarding the National Guard.

It is not the role of the Federal government to deal with hurricanes and the immediate after effect.  The Federal government is to declare the area a disaster zone, if appropriate, and to support state and local authorities.

For an indication of how it should have been done look to the east.  In Mississippi there were entire towns blown away and/or sucked out to sea.

In Mississippi Governor Barbour reacted quickly, ordered the Guard into the affected areas, asked for FEMA assistance and got about fixing things.

There was also the private sector.  There is a story that a Waffle House along the coast somewhere was without power so they brought in a generator and went about their business on the day after the storm passed.

Meanwhile in New Orleans Mayor Nagin was whining and Governor Blanco was frozen in place like a deer in headlights.

Jul 24, 2007 2:53 am

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate][quote=BondGuy][quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=Ashland]

What does FEMA mean to you?

[/quote]

What did FEMA not do that you think was their responsibiliity?

Was New Orleans aware that they were ground zero for the hurricane?

The answer is yes--and at that point the Federal government was out of the picture.

It was up to the city and state to evacuate the city.  They did not do that.

It was up to the state to mobilize the National Guard.  The governor did not do that for days and days, and when she finally did the situation was out of control.

There is no intellectually honest way to deflect blame for that fiasco from where it belongs--Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.

[/quote]

Actually DA, you've got something wrong here. Nagin did evacuate the city in plenty of time to get the job done. In fact, if anything went right it was the evacuation.

The city had a plan for those who could not evacuate, put them in the largest and thought to be strongest building the city owned, the Superdome, until the calvary, read FEMA, arrived. The city did that.

That the Superdome fell apart is nobody's fault. It took a direct hit.

That people died in their homes? Their own tragically stupid fault for not evcauating when ordered to do so.

Same for those who we watched in those daring rescues by the Coast Guard. And by the way, the Coast Guard was the only Govt agency worthy of praise.

So exactly what did Nagin do wrong? Nothing!

I don't like Nagin or Blanco but they're not the ones who screwed up here. And with the exception of the one or two Bush admin apologist who missed the split screen CNN shot of Chertoff screen right saying he wasn't aware of any crisis at the Superdome while on screen left streaming live video of said crisis played, the entire nation saw exactly who was to blame. And it wasn't nagin or Blanco.

Of course then there's George W ducking blame saying he wasn't briefed about the storm playing split screen with his briefing of the storm by the head of the Natl Hurricane service. That briefing was released by the Natl Hurricane center to deflect criticism that they had failed to do their job in briefing the Prez. They did brief him and had the tape to prove it. What they could never know was that they would be put in a position to have to prove it by none other than the president himself.

[/quote]

Nonsense.   Mayor Nagin allowed dozens of school buses sit idle while people were walking out of town.

The governor could not stop playing Hamlet regarding the National Guard.

It is not the role of the Federal government to deal with hurricanes and the immediate after effect.  The Federal government is to declare the area a disaster zone, if appropriate, and to support state and local authorities.

For an indication of how it should have been done look to the east.  In Mississippi there were entire towns blown away and/or sucked out to sea.

In Mississippi Governor Barbour reacted quickly, ordered the Guard into the affected areas, asked for FEMA assistance and got about fixing things.

There was also the private sector.  There is a story that a Waffle House along the coast somewhere was without power so they brought in a generator and went about their business on the day after the storm passed.

Meanwhile in New Orleans Mayor Nagin was whining and Governor Blanco was frozen in place like a deer in headlights.

[/quote]

A few years ago Hurricane Charley missed my west coast Florida house by thirty miles. That is, my house was 30 miles south from the ground zero U.S. Landfall of a cat three hurricane. Houses at ground zero were ripped off the planet. Houses 20 miles from GZ were total loses. My house? A ripped screen. My east coast Florida house sustained a direct hit from Hurricane Frances later that same summer, again with almost no damage. That's the advantage of not being directly on the water. Then in 2005 Wilma made landfall 30 miles south of the west coast house and again we escaped unscathed.

My point: Don't tell me stories about hurricanes.

Jul 24, 2007 2:59 am

[quote=BondGuy]

A few years ago Hurricane Charley missed my west coast Florida house by thirty miles. That is, my house was 30 miles south from the ground zero U.S. Landfall of a cat three hurricane. Houses at ground zero were ripped off the planet. Houses 20 miles from GZ were total loses. My house? A ripped screen. My east coast Florida house sustained a direct hit from Hurricane Frances later that same summer, again with almost no damage. That's the advantage of not being directly on the water. Then in 2005 Wilma made landfall 30 miles south of the west coast house and again we escaped unscathed.

My point: Don't tell me stories about hurricanes.

[/quote]

Let me see if I have this right. 

You were almost affected by hurricanes three times and that makes you knowledgable about what happened in New Orleans?

One day I was almost hit by a Ford pickup truck, and on another occasion I was almost run over by a NYC cab, and one time in San Francisco I barely got out of the way of a cable car.

Does that make me an expert on the Department of Transportation?

Jul 24, 2007 3:09 am

I live in California, between two volcanoes and near an earth quake fault.  It was my choice.  If all he&& breaks lose should I expect that the government should rush to rescue my stupid a$$ and spend tax payer dollars when I knew I was putting myself in danger.  NO!!

Governments have 3 functions and 3 only. 

1. Protect us from foreign invaders and secure the borders with a standing army and maintain a military  pretty crappy job on the borders so far, I must say.

2.  Protect us from each other. Prosecute crimes against persons and property.   This doesn't include telling us what to eat, to wear seat belts, where to smoke cigarettes, what kind of light bulbs we can use, when to spay our pets or who to marry.

3. Finance public works that are too burdensome for local groups that benefit the whole.  For example communities can't build Hoover Dam or create an interstate highway system.  BUT we can take care of our own local schools and determine if we want to allow people to fish, farm or ....ahem.. in the wilderness.

That's i!!.   Otherwise the government is intrusive into our day to day life and impedes our freedoms. 

So....back to New Orleans.   People there are living below sea level and you expect the federal government to wipe their noses when the inevitable happens; instead of holding the population and (more to the point) the local government accountable for their lack of preparedness and prevention.   Sorry.... you live on the slopes of a volcano don't be surprised when you get burned.

Jul 24, 2007 3:14 am

Scurry bunny, scurry!

Jul 24, 2007 10:05 am

[quote=Dust Bunny]

I live in California, between two volcanoes and near an earth quake fault. It was my choice. If all he&& breaks lose should I expect that the government should rush to rescue my stupid a$$ and spend tax payer dollars when I knew I was putting myself in danger. NO!!



Governments have 3 functions and 3 only.



1. Protect us from foreign invaders and secure the borders with a standing army and maintain a military pretty crappy job on the borders so far, I must say.



2. Protect us from each other. Prosecute crimes against persons and property. This doesn’t include telling us what to eat, to wear seat belts, where to smoke cigarettes, what kind of light bulbs we can use, when to spay our pets or who to marry.



3. Finance public works that are too burdensome for local groups that benefit the whole. For example communities can’t build Hoover Dam or create an interstate highway system. BUT we can take care of our own local schools and determine if we want to allow people to fish, farm or …ahem… in the wilderness.



That’s i!!. Otherwise the government is intrusive into our day to day life and impedes our freedoms.



So…back to New Orleans. People there are living below sea level and you expect the federal government to wipe their noses when the inevitable happens; instead of holding the population and (more to the point) the local government accountable for their lack of preparedness and prevention. Sorry… you live on the slopes of a volcano don’t be surprised when you get burned.

[/quote]



Yeah! Right now, we need to pull all of those federal fire fighters out of CA and let those homes burn! Arny needs to deal with the fires, not my tax dollars!



Whew, talk about whining if that happened! Ha!
Jul 24, 2007 11:51 am

[quote=BondGuy][quote=mikebutler222][quote=BondGuy][quote=mikebutler222]

No one said "blame Islam". We've all been pretty clear that we're talking about Islamic extremists. Those would be the people who believe their religion calls them to establish the dominance of their religion over all others, to kill non-believers and to fly planes into buildings.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

[/quote]

You call them Islamic extremist yet you don't blame Islam? That's a contradiction. [/quote]

Not in the least. I blame RADICAL Islam. For all I know mainstream Islam doesn't advocate killing non-believers and doesn't favor flying planes into buildings.

Again, your burning desire to play down the fantical religious nature of their motivation makes no sense.

[/quote]

Ok, I'd buy that if there was a such thing as radical Islam. There isn't.[/quote]

As I said in the beginning, and you denied, you don't think these people exist.

Jul 24, 2007 12:04 pm

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate][quote=BondGuy][quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

[quote=Ashland]

What does FEMA mean to you?

[/quote]

What did FEMA not do that you think was their responsibiliity?

Was New Orleans aware that they were ground zero for the hurricane?

The answer is yes--and at that point the Federal government was out of the picture.

It was up to the city and state to evacuate the city.  They did not do that.

It was up to the state to mobilize the National Guard.  The governor did not do that for days and days, and when she finally did the situation was out of control.

There is no intellectually honest way to deflect blame for that fiasco from where it belongs--Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.

[/quote]

Actually DA, you've got something wrong here. Nagin did evacuate the city in plenty of time to get the job done. In fact, if anything went right it was the evacuation.

The city had a plan for those who could not evacuate, put them in the largest and thought to be strongest building the city owned, the Superdome, until the calvary, read FEMA, arrived. The city did that.

That the Superdome fell apart is nobody's fault. It took a direct hit.

That people died in their homes? Their own tragically stupid fault for not evcauating when ordered to do so.

Same for those who we watched in those daring rescues by the Coast Guard. And by the way, the Coast Guard was the only Govt agency worthy of praise.

So exactly what did Nagin do wrong? Nothing!

I don't like Nagin or Blanco but they're not the ones who screwed up here. And with the exception of the one or two Bush admin apologist who missed the split screen CNN shot of Chertoff screen right saying he wasn't aware of any crisis at the Superdome while on screen left streaming live video of said crisis played, the entire nation saw exactly who was to blame. And it wasn't nagin or Blanco.

Of course then there's George W ducking blame saying he wasn't briefed about the storm playing split screen with his briefing of the storm by the head of the Natl Hurricane service. That briefing was released by the Natl Hurricane center to deflect criticism that they had failed to do their job in briefing the Prez. They did brief him and had the tape to prove it. What they could never know was that they would be put in a position to have to prove it by none other than the president himself.

[/quote]

Nonsense.   Mayor Nagin allowed dozens of school buses sit idle while people were walking out of town.

The governor could not stop playing Hamlet regarding the National Guard.

It is not the role of the Federal government to deal with hurricanes and the immediate after effect.  The Federal government is to declare the area a disaster zone, if appropriate, and to support state and local authorities.

For an indication of how it should have been done look to the east.  In Mississippi there were entire towns blown away and/or sucked out to sea.

In Mississippi Governor Barbour reacted quickly, ordered the Guard into the affected areas, asked for FEMA assistance and got about fixing things.

There was also the private sector.  There is a story that a Waffle House along the coast somewhere was without power so they brought in a generator and went about their business on the day after the storm passed.

Meanwhile in New Orleans Mayor Nagin was whining and Governor Blanco was frozen in place like a deer in headlights.

[/quote]

Exactly. Let's not forget the talking points that came from those two incompetents, that the Iraq war kept them from having the National Guard they needed, and that the Bush administration had shortchanged the levy system. Both of those lies were heralded while people in New Orleans drowned.

Nagin was an absolute disaster (and continues to be to this very day) and Blanco not only impeded the use of the National Guard in a timely fashion, the video shows SHE reported in conference call HOURS after the levy breech that they were intact and holding. FEMA isn’t expected to be onsite within hours (I can tell you from personal experience, having been through a CAT V hurricane), especially when roads and bridges aren’t passable. FEMA supplies can’t be put in the path of a storm, and have to be brought in after it’s passed. That’s the local officials and their propositioned supplies. That’s another area where Nagin failed miserably. He should have been able to care for the people he abandoned in the Superdome for 24-48 hours, but he wasn’t prepared. So much for the claim that it was a smart plan to put people there.

If there was one failure of FEMA it was that they weren’t there to save the day from Blanco/Nagin quicker. Instead of relying on reports from those two nitwits, FEMA should have had CNN on a monitor to see what was really happening on the ground. They should have been there 24 hours earlier. But that’s the entire extent of their response failure. They didn’t put people in peril, that was Blanco/Nagin, the two that go unmentioned in the “Bush screwed New Orleans because he hates black people” fable.

The rest of the mythology about how Nagin/Blanco did a fine job fighting the incompetence of the Bush administration is the very same sort of mythology hyper-partisan Democrats hold as sacred text, just as they hold on to the “stolen election” fantasy against all facts and every investigation.

Jul 24, 2007 12:10 pm

[quote=BondGuy]That the Superdome fell apart is nobody's fault. It took a direct hit. [/quote]

The Superdowm didn't "fall apart" and it didn't take a direct hit. The issue at the Superdome was that Nagin didn't have supplies and facilities there for the people he abandoned there. They went without food, water and medical attention. All the things that he SHOULD have had in place and prepared to hold people over for 24-48 hours until FEMA could arrive.

Jul 24, 2007 12:29 pm

It should concern people that fools who can’t understand what happened in New Orleans–or refuse to believe it–are advising others about their money.

Jul 24, 2007 12:35 pm

Another legacy of the Nagin approach is the abandoned car issue.

There were thousands of abandoned cars after the water went down.

A guy from Texas showed up offering to buy them and haul them off--if I remember he was going to pay something like $5 million total for all the cars.

Mayor Nagin was too smart to fall for that.  Instead he paid something like $25 million to have them hauled off.

There is inconclusive evidence--isn't it always--that the Mayor received what amonts to kick backs from the firm that was hired.

How bright do you have to be to know that being paid $5 million to get rid of abandoned cars is a better idea than paying $25 million to do the same job?

Jul 24, 2007 1:13 pm

[quote=Devil’sAdvocate]

One day I was almost hit by a Ford pickup truck, and on another occasion I was almost run over by a NYC cab, and one time in San Francisco I barely got out of the way of a cable car.

Does that make me an expert on the Department of Transportation?

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I don't know what it says about you and the Dept of Transportation, but it may suggest you need glasses.