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Oct 7, 2008 10:40 pm

Thoughts on the debate?


I think the set-up and rules of the debate sucked.  Personal opinion.  It felt like watching people in wheelchairs play soccer, when I was hoping for a hard-hitting football game.

Oct 7, 2008 11:40 pm

I completely agree.  It was much better last time when they could go back and forth with each other.  I thought both of them did well.  I'm biased so I always think McCain wins.  I guess well see what (if anything) happens with the polls this week.

 
 
Oct 7, 2008 11:52 pm

The setup was designed to isolate McCain from connecting with the common sense of the common man, and pander to Obama's false elitism. America will elect the liberal, and they will get a Great Society.Brokaw (ahem!) symbolizes this aristocracy, and schoolteachers will continue to whine about their pay, and Norway's jealousy of goverment workers will grow.

Oct 8, 2008 10:15 am

Obama has been coached to NOT LOSE.  Just look and act "Presidential".  I think he wins on those accounts. 

 
I support McCain (choosing my poison), but I think he looked rather awkward and desparate at times. 
Oct 8, 2008 11:01 am

McCain is right about taxes, but Obama must win (economy). Voting for the opposition in  down market is the average Joe's steam pressure valve release. We might as well get used to the idea now.

Oct 8, 2008 11:11 am

Have you ever watched Cement Dry? The Debate was heralded as Mccain would come out swinging and asking Obama the tough questions. What tough questions or what swinging.

Regardless of the final outcome.....all the promises WILL NOT HAPPEN. I really don't envy any politican over the next xxx years.
Hey Walking9....never whine Simple formula , boot the asses of about 20-25% of government workers out of their " Jobs for Life " and reduce our taxes.
Oct 8, 2008 11:37 am

Right on all accounts. Watch the resentment and counteraction against jobs for life grow over the next four years. The silver lining. This might be a good time to work on the golf game, or learn a language, or go RIA, or buy a bank, or...

Oct 8, 2008 1:16 pm

I like McCain, I really do. But in his attempt to wake people up out of their dream and show how passionate he is about his views, he comes off as condescending and rude. It didn't help that he tossed "that one" out there and neglected to stay around and mingle with the voters or shake Obama's hand (I think Obama bring up bomb bomb bomb Iran really ticked him off).

 
I think last night guaranteed an Obama win, personally.
Oct 8, 2008 1:49 pm
anabuhabkuss:

It didn't help that he tossed "that one" out there...

 
That talking point was being sent out by every Democrat operative's balckberry last night and was the centerpiece of MSNBC's  Obama coronation afterwards. Talk about vacant....
 
anabuhabkuss:

......and neglected to stay around and mingle with the voters....


 
If you watched it on the networks you didn't see anything like that. I understand CSPAN might have showed more of Obama and his wife hanging around, but the networks went right to their "here's what you should think about what you just saw" coverage. That, too, is part of the set-piece talking points this AM.
 
 
  anabuhabkuss:

......or shake Obama's hand ....


 
He did shake Obama's hand, and in fact they were both in front of Brokaw's monitor, so he had to ask them both to move so he could read it. Again, the "didn't shake his hand" thing was an immediate DNC/MSNBC talking point, even though it clearly wasn't true.
 
Am I at the Reg Rep board or have I wondered into a TMP/DailyKOS/HuffPuff talking point bboard?
Oct 8, 2008 1:54 pm
BTW, Obama reviewed his plans to kill the economy late night, IMHO. Higher taxes, mandates (or fines) to provide health care coverage and all in the face of a slow economy.  Amazing.
 
McCain's not my idea of a ball of fire on getting the economy going, but if Obama gets what he wants (and with a solid Democrat Congress there's no reason to believe he won't) count on unemployment soaring as small business cuts back on employees they can no longer afford to keep on the payroll.
 
Carter's second term. Well, at least we got Reagan as a result of that debacle.
Oct 8, 2008 2:03 pm

Greyhairedbrker , although North of the Border and also in a federal Election we have similar BS being tossed around in terms of increasing Government Spending ( to wit increasing taxes ) by the Liberals and the NDP. Although it appears that the Conservatives will be re-elected and again a Minority Government. Even if their fortunes reversed or in your case the Democrats win.......where is the money going to come from? I am betting on Big Time breaking of promises and of course the same old blame game .....the previous government.

Oct 8, 2008 2:09 pm
greyhairedbrker:
anabuhabkuss:

It didn't help that he tossed "that one" out there...

 
That talking point was being sent out by every Democrat operative's balckberry last night and was the centerpiece of MSNBC's  Obama coronation afterwards. Talk about vacant....
 
[quote=anabuhabkuss]......and neglected to stay around and mingle with the voters....[/quote]
 
If you watched it on the networks you didn't see anything like that. I understand CSPAN might have showed more of Obama and his wife hanging around, but the networks went right to their "here's what you should think about what you just saw" coverage. That, too, is part of the set-piece talking points this AM.
 
 
 [quote=anabuhabkuss]......or shake Obama's hand ....[/quote]
 
He did shake Obama's hand, and in fact they were both in front of Brokaw's monitor, so he had to ask them both to move so he could read it. Again, the "didn't shake his hand" thing was an immediate DNC/MSNBC talking point, even though it clearly wasn't true.
 
Am I at the Reg Rep board or have I wondered into a TMP/DailyKOS/HuffPuff talking point bboard?
 
Saw it on CNN WIRE which went on a full 30 minutes after the debate ended. McCain shook no more than 5 hands per section. He and Obama never shook hands. Obama extended his hand and McCain looked down and walked around him blantantly ignoring him. Cindy caught it, took a few steps towards Obama and shook his hand instead. CNN LIVe got a clear shot of the two candidates before Tom told Mccain to get out oft he way (he was wondering around), there was no shake. McCain walked off stage less than 10 minutes. Obama stayed behind to answer questions. He was on a good 15-20 minutes after McCain left. Again, the repeat can be seen on CNN WIRE
Oct 8, 2008 2:12 pm

Hey Grey, get your sweater out and turn the thermostat down. The vain peanut head is reincarnated. I heard reverbs of Jimmy's desert rescue in Obama's Afghanistan musings. We got Reagan, and look at Jimmy's vain rants now. There was a thing on Yahoo yesterday that sez you mostly gotta be vain to run for president. I buy McCain's pledge about duty, though.

Oct 8, 2008 2:15 pm

Guys and Ladies , repectfully, other than political junkies in the big scheme of things " shake hands or did not shake hands ".....what is their plan ( the real plan ) not double speak on how to move forward with addressing the real issues. Like our debates and your debates , highly unlikely people change their opinions of the leaders. Most viewers of any political strip have already decided who won/lost based on their political leanings.

Oct 8, 2008 2:19 pm

Really, Viking. You get to be cranky when you've got as much experience as McCain. How important is experience in our business. I think you're seeing that play out on these boards BIG TIME over the last days and hours.

 
But let the pundits spin the handshaking into a victory. Stocks are being returned to their rightful owners. I'm several hundred k in today, mostly just feel good service to counteract the apprehension. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
Oct 8, 2008 2:33 pm

Hey, I'm not saying I'm not voting for McCain. But a spade is a spade is a spade. You're right, people that have experience/intellgent/bipolar, who believe they are right, get that way. they get frustrated, like a dad to his child. Knocking people's perception is irrelevant. People ARE going to view his behavior as cold and condenscending. They will think "Why send a guy like this out to meet foreign leaders?" and they won't vote. We work in an indutry of impressions and you mean to tell me that people who view McCaina s rude are pundits?

 
Simple.
Oct 8, 2008 2:34 pm
walking9:

Really, Viking. You get to be cranky when you've got as much experience as McCain. How important is experience in our business. I think you're seeing that play out on these boards BIG TIME over the last days and hours.

 
But let the pundits spin the handshaking into a victory. Stocks are being returned to their rightful owners. I'm several hundred k in today, mostly just feel good service to counteract the apprehension. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
 
No one is questioning this norway. But right now this is about the undecided voters.
Oct 8, 2008 2:36 pm

Some would say, " a spade is spade" is politically incorrect. That over there is perception. Don't worry about it, it's all BS. While we were talking, GE went up 6%. Looks like somebody took my suggestion and bought the yield. EZ, are you getting nervous yet?

Oct 8, 2008 2:44 pm

Ana ....we went from a Conservative Majority Government last week to what appears to be a Minority Conservative Government. Frankly everyone was stunned by the % move.

Undecided , in my humble opinion the Undecided Voter probably does not watch the debate. I suspect a large percentage vote based on " sound bites " or " what Aunt Nelly said ". Perhaps a cynical opinion?
Oct 8, 2008 2:59 pm

[quote=anabuhabkuss] 

Saw it on CNN WIRE which went on a full 30 minutes after the debate ended. McCain shook no more than 5 hands per section. He and Obama never shook hands. Obama extended his hand and McCain looked down and walked around him blantantly ignoring him. Cindy caught it, took a few steps towards Obama and shook his hand instead. CNN LIVe got a clear shot of the two candidates before Tom told Mccain to get out oft he way (he was wondering around), there was no shake.
 

No, sorry, that's a talking point, from Talking Points Memo, no less and then spread far and wide by Democrat operatives. They shook hand immediately after the debate, as I said, and Brokaw had to ask them to move. Here's the video;
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMKwVBZRY&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php
 
Look like you didn't watch the debate, but read the spin afterwards.
 
 
The CNN clip you're talking about is later, when the wives are on stage and McCain taps Obama on the back, Obama turns around offers his hand and McCain gestures to Cindy, whom Obama had not greeted up unto that point. Count on good ole Wolf Blitzer to provide an inaccurate voice over claiming McCain had "snubbed" Obama when it's obvious McCain tapped Obama so he could greet Cindy.