Best Mutual Funds
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Obviously any account over 250k I use Morean Growth and Growth fund
Nice one!
You can use any criteria you want for selecting the “best” mutual funds but at the end of the day the asset allocation of whichever funds you use is far more important than finding the “best” funds.
I disagree... according to you we could all use Putnam and do just as good..
You can use any criteria you want for selecting the “best” mutual funds but at the end of the day the asset allocation of whichever funds you use is far more important than finding the “best” funds.
Yes, because asset allocation would have kept your clients' from losing money.
Interesting article:
http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/09_39/b4148078553973.htmI agree with the premise that the more money the manager has in the fund the better it performs. I also like the boutique firms that run 1 fund, but do it real well.
LOL I don't have one account that has a mutual fund in it. I do have several with UIT's. Why do you guys like MF's over UIT's ?Best Mutual Fund… isn’t that an oxymoron?
So because Putnam sucked the last ten years, asset allocation is not the primary driver of returns? Your post proves my point. Putnam at one time was considered one of the "best", now they are not.[quote=Jebediah] You can use any criteria you want for selecting the “best” mutual funds but at the end of the day the asset allocation of whichever funds you use is far more important than finding the “best” funds.[/quote]
I disagree… according to you we could all use Putnam and do just as good…
[quote=Squash1] [quote=Jebediah] You can use any criteria you want for selecting the “best” mutual funds but at the end of the day the asset allocation of whichever funds you use is far more important than finding the “best” funds.[/quote] I disagree… according to you we could all use Putnam and do just as good…
So because Putnam sucked the last ten years, asset allocation is not the primary driver of returns? Your post proves my point. Putnam at one time was considered one of the “best”, now they are not. [/quote]
Asset allocation is the primary driver of AVERAGE returns.
[quote=Moraen] [quote=Jebediah] [quote=Squash1] [quote=Jebediah] You can use any criteria you want for selecting the “best” mutual funds but at the end of the day the asset allocation of whichever funds you use is far more important than finding the “best” funds.[/quote] I disagree… according to you we could all use Putnam and do just as good…[/quote]
So because Putnam sucked the last ten years, asset allocation is not the primary driver of returns? Your post proves my point. Putnam at one time was considered one of the "best", now they are not. [/quote]
Asset allocation is the primary driver of AVERAGE returns.[/quote] Only if you suck at AA.
Really, how did asset allocation work out this last couple of years? Most asset classes become correlated in a down market.
Clients are up 1/1/08-today. Bear market missed them. Just because many (not all) asset classes went down together, does not mean that AA has failed. Sorry you could not join in tonight Ice, this post is more a response to the previous post.I’m sad to see that I won’t be able to be part of this discussion this evening, but for the record, I have retired clients that invested with me in Q4 2007, that are now AT WORST down 5.5%, NET OF FEES. And yes, they remained fully invested, at all times. I have a handful of others that vary from -5% to +5% (I went into production in the second half of 07, so I don’t have that many clients from that time period).
Now, had I start in 06, or 05, or earlier, ALL of my retired clients would be in the black right now over that time period. And I’m a very plain vanilla guy for the most part.
And I don’t believe, nor did I see anything that indicates that EVERYTHING becomes negatively correlated in a down market…and even things that DO become correlation, we aren’t talking “perfectly correlated.”
Have a good nite everyone.
The accounts that listen to me are up 20% + since inception without leverage ie Erisa money. Leveraged accounts are up 40%+. My ‘best efforts’ accounts are well into the 60% net of all fees with a beta of around .35. AA is very over rated IMHO. I’d rather use stops, go short and arb every merger I can sink my teeth into. I’ll never stop banging the market neutrality drum. Rebalancing is just a way to justify the endless fees.
All said in MVHO[quote=iceco1d] I’m sad to see that I won’t be able to be part of this discussion this evening, but for the record, I have retired clients that invested with me in Q4 2007, that are now AT WORST down 5.5%, NET OF FEES. And yes, they remained fully invested, at all times. I have a handful of others that vary from -5% to +5% (I went into production in the second half of 07, so I don’t have that many clients from that time period).Now, had I start in 06, or 05, or earlier, ALL of my retired clients would be in the black right now over that time period. And I’m a very plain vanilla guy for the most part.And I don’t believe, nor did I see anything that indicates that EVERYTHING becomes negatively correlated in a down market…and even things that DO become correlation, we aren’t talking “perfectly correlated.” Have a good nite everyone.
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I changed it to most things. Sleep tight ice. It’s on like donkey kong on Tuesday.
If you look at the indices, from October 2007 until March 2009, they pretty much moved in lockstep. B24 posted a link a little while back (I think you were on vacation). By staying fully invested, your clients will of course, likely recover. And if you are allocating them “properly”, will have less distance to go and will get there faster. But it does little to calm nerves in the short term.
[quote=Gaddock] The accounts that listen to me are up 20% + since inception without leverage ie Erisa money. Leveraged accounts are up 40%+. My ‘best efforts’ accounts are well into the 60% net of all fees. AA is very over rated IMHO. I’d rather use stops, go short and arb every merger I can sink my teeth into. I’ll never stop banging the market neutrality drum. Rebalancing is just a way to justify the endless fees.
All said in MVHO[/quote]
I’m not doing quite as good as Gaddock, but as of COB yesterday, my worst client was up 17% from Q4 2007.
Once again, AA will not kill anybody, but it will garner AVERAGE returns.
[quote=Gaddock]The accounts that listen to me are up 20% + since inception without leverage ie Erisa money. Leveraged accounts are up 40%+. My ‘best efforts’ accounts are well into the 60% net of all fees. AA is very over rated IMHO. I’d rather use stops, go short and arb every merger I can sink my teeth into. I’ll never stop banging the market neutrality drum. Rebalancing is just a way to justify the endless fees.
All said in MVHO[/quote] What you are dong and what we are talking about are two different things. I'm not saying anything negative about what you do, just that grandpa and granny are unlikely to be trading options.Also true. I don’t have any retired clients anymore. The ones I will have in a few short years will be living off of military pensions (and likely other incomes). AA is still for average returns in my opinion.
Good night everybody. Gotta long drive ahead of me in the morning. Wish me luck. USMC Mud Run! MUD RUN! Hooah!
[quote=Jebediah][quote=Gaddock]The accounts that listen to me are up 20% + since inception without leverage ie Erisa money. Leveraged accounts are up 40%+. My ‘best efforts’ accounts are well into the 60% net of all fees. AA is very over rated IMHO. I’d rather use stops, go short and arb every merger I can sink my teeth into. I’ll never stop banging the market neutrality drum. Rebalancing is just a way to justify the endless fees.
All said in MVHO[/quote] What you are dong and what we are talking about are two different things. I'm not saying anything negative about what you do, just that grandpa and granny are unlikely to be trading options.[/quote] I'm not saying anything negative about you. Was just suggesting an idea or two about how one may add alpha to their accounts. As for grandpa and granny they do and will once they are properly educated. Actually they are the best clients as they will also spend the day looking for trades that fit the model. My clients are working as a team for all of us.[quote=Moraen] [quote=Gaddock] The accounts that listen to me are up 20% + since inception without leverage ie Erisa money. Leveraged accounts are up 40%+. My ‘best efforts’ accounts are well into the 60% net of all fees. AA is very over rated IMHO. I’d rather use stops, go short and arb every merger I can sink my teeth into. I’ll never stop banging the market neutrality drum. Rebalancing is just a way to justify the endless fees.
All said in MVHO[/quote]
I'm not doing quite as good as Gaddock, but as of COB yesterday, my worst client was up 17% from Q4 2007.
Once again, AA will not kill anybody, but it will garner AVERAGE returns.[/quote] I agree and That's AWESOME! would love to hear some of your better successes. I'm guessing it was not due in large part to MPT and or AA.
Anyone have a good short duration fund that is liquid? I’ve looked at Legg Mason short term muni class C that does not have a CDSC for clients looking for higher yield over CDs. Just curious if any of you are using short term bond funds that don’t have a holding period.