BAI Comp Plan

Dec 19, 2008 11:45 am

BAI’s comp plan released at 3pm today.  Does anyone have grid?

Dec 19, 2008 3:03 pm

I'm sure you will be paid fairly for the effort and energy you put in.

Dec 19, 2008 3:20 pm

bend over…under 350…15%

Dec 19, 2008 3:49 pm

Have you seen the plan?

Dec 19, 2008 3:58 pm

The call is at 4pm EST.  We have been told several times that we will go to Merrill’s grid sometime in 09.  The issue (according to management) is the technology to put us on their grid.  The bottom line is it can’t get worse.  At 30% payout how much worse can it get!

Dec 19, 2008 3:59 pm

30%

Dec 19, 2008 4:13 pm

over 5 los, under 350 is 15%.

Dec 19, 2008 4:19 pm

No way bad move LOL. Even though I’m no where near that catagory I just couldn’t see it that bad. If it’s true I really feel bad for those people. They had there chance like all the rest of us to get their production up.

Dec 19, 2008 5:55 pm

badmove is right - over 5 years, under 350; 18% with a 15% hold back = 15%

  the message is clear - I wonder what % of BAI reps are under $350?  It's got to be 35%?  I guess this is how BAC makes room for mother MER!   I have heard that we might go to the MER grid before the end of 2009.   Another fine Merry Christmas from BAI...
Dec 19, 2008 6:12 pm
Her it is folks and all is can say is holly $hit and Merry Christmas! <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

FA I

0 -     149,000  >5 12%  < 5 30%

150 - 249,999  >5 12%  < 5 30%

250 - 299,000  >5 15%  <5  30%

300,000           >5 18%  <5  33%

 

FA II

350 - 399 31%

400 - 499 34%

500 - 599 36%

600 - 699 37%

700 - 849 39%

850 - 999 40%

1,000,000 > 41% 

 

The trailer payouts for FA II have also jumped from 10% to 23% on the lower end of the scale and 31% at the top. 

Dec 19, 2008 6:24 pm

unreal

Dec 19, 2008 7:14 pm

What do guys thing?  Prob the worst grid on the street for 250 to 350 producers.

Dec 19, 2008 7:17 pm

The 15% hold back kills me.  So your paying 12-18% and you want more of the poor guys money.  The message is clear.

Dec 19, 2008 7:18 pm

So if you are over 5 years and $300K GDC, you get $54K?? I would move the day this new grid came out… Even if you production dropped in half to $150K and you got 60% payout you are making almost double…

Dec 19, 2008 7:34 pm

[quote=chief123]30%[/quote]


That would only drop it to 21%.

Dec 19, 2008 7:36 pm

[quote=chief123]So if you are over 5 years and $300K GDC, you get $54K?? I would move the day this new grid came out… Even if you production dropped in half to $150K and you got 60% payout you are making almost double…[/quote]


I don’t know about the other indies around here, but when I switched, my gross went up. I was so excited about keeping my own money that I loved the business more and it made me do more business.

Dec 19, 2008 7:57 pm

I was just assuming some of these people are like a buddy of mine(@BAI) and do nothing but wait for referrals.



I left Jones and doubled my production in the first 9 months.

Dec 19, 2008 7:59 pm

[quote=chief123]I was just assuming some of these people are like a buddy of mine(@BAI) and do nothing but wait for referrals.



I left Jones and doubled my production in the first 9 months.[/quote]

You’re right. I didn’t think of that.

Dec 19, 2008 9:37 pm

Looks like WB is the only real bank program out there.

Dec 19, 2008 9:47 pm

not only do sub 350 guys get hosed but i also heard that premier has no incentive to refer any business to BAI reps.    but i guess no incentive is better than a disincentive like they had before.  any comments on this from you BAI reps out there??

Dec 19, 2008 9:54 pm

They are all out looking for places to xfer to

Dec 19, 2008 11:04 pm

It's times like this when we need ez money to provide some comical commentary on the new comp plan

Dec 19, 2008 11:17 pm

 That is the worst grid probably ever.  But guess the good news is it is becoming obvious.  If you work at this place or any other place in this business with a bank calling the shots its GAME OVER.  Look for this grid to get worse and makes its way to ML for 2010.  Looks for Wells Fargo to follow suit and slash payout.  This year 350k, next year 450k, and so on.  With a little imagination, you can predict, trailers cut, managed money cut, account size minimums to get paid…this is so obnoxious its funny.

Dec 19, 2008 11:25 pm

that sucks. i would go else where and take my chances

Dec 19, 2008 11:43 pm

[quote=today1]

not only do sub 350 guys get hosed but i also heard that premier has no incentive to refer any business to BAI reps.    but i guess no incentive is better than a disincentive like they had before.  any comments on this from you BAI reps out there??

[/quote]   Oh - don't worry - there is still a disincentive -  Why are they going to bring you into a meeting when you might take some money from a 2% CD and put it into a 3% muni - that would hurt their organic growth (which they get paid on if it stays in deposits - NOT investments).  I hope I am reading it wrong but it seems like they are getting paid to protect the bank assets from investmets.   Which makes sense except when you consider that outside BANK money is attracted by rate and FDIC - BAC is NOT about rate - and FDIC has it's limits - BIG outside money comes from investments NOT bank balances.
Dec 20, 2008 2:03 am

Let the chaos begin…thousands people leaving, taking hundreds of millions of assets, lengthy arbitrations, legal work, BAISI and BAC will implode under its own incompetent 50 layer house of cards…I will enjoy watching it burn to the ground

May it happen faster than I expect.
Dec 20, 2008 7:02 am
No incentives at all for CM’s to refer.  Also no incentive for advisors to refer to CM’s either.  CM comp plan isn’t out yet (just got a brief outline) so I wonder how their jobs will change next year.   2. Real bad news for LOS over 5 years and under $350k production.    3.  For 2010, if anything, the BAC comp over $350K will stay the same as Merrill's come down.  Their grid is significantly higher than ours.
Dec 21, 2008 4:31 pm
BAI?:

No way bad move LOL. Even though I’m no where near that catagory I just couldn’t see it that bad. If it’s true I really feel bad for those people. They had there chance like all the rest of us to get their production up.

 

What do you mean by "they had their chance like all the rest of us to get their production up"?  When does it stop?  350K, 450k, 550k?....... Do you like working harder to make the same amount of money?  I thought it you got your production up you should make more money, not just stay even.  Does not sound like good business sense to me.  <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Dec 21, 2008 5:58 pm

Geez - that really sucks for you BAC guys. We just got our grids for wells and although the payout has gone down for wachovia guys, its still higher than this - plus the wall between bank assets and investment assets, including incentive for the bank to refer to us has been obliterated under wells.

there is something to be said about a bank running the show vs. an investment firm running the show.   even with the haircut, most guys stand to make more money this year. Too bad, too bad. My best friend works at BAC and has been a disciple for a few years. Now he's taking a long hard look at WTF he's going to do. Hopefully 2010 with a full Merrill integration will bode well for you guys but good luck either way.
Dec 23, 2008 7:52 pm

They might as well given everyone under 350 a pink slip.

Dec 23, 2008 7:53 pm

I went to LPL in 2006 and was around 340 when I left. Looks like I way made the right move.