80% of stocks fall, prices rise?

Nov 17, 2009 3:07 pm

Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

Nov 17, 2009 3:17 pm

That’s interesting.  I read exactly the opposite.  According to S&P on the NYSE 2485 companies rose yesterday while 576 declined.  75 were unchanged.  341 stocks hit new highs with only 1 hitting a new low.  Now, I don’t know, and I’m not going to take the time to figure it out, what happened on the other markets, but as far as the big board goes, it was a good day.   

  Are you a Glenn Beck fan too?
Nov 17, 2009 3:18 pm
howboutshoeshine:

Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

    Source?  If it is your ass, nevermind.
Nov 17, 2009 3:22 pm

[quote=Spaceman Spiff]That’s interesting.  I read exactly the opposite.  According to S&P on the NYSE 2485 companies rose yesterday while 576 declined.  75 were unchanged.  341 stocks hit new highs with only 1 hitting a new low.  Now, I don’t know, and I’m not going to take the time to figure it out, what happened on the other markets, but as far as the big board goes, it was a good day.   

  Are you a Glenn Beck fan too?[/quote]   I follow all mkts. The statement is TRUE. like it or not. You didn't read the opposite you looked at one source, it made you feel good so you stopped. According to your numbers 60% advanced and that's not correct, but even if it was. That's NOT a good day. Certainly could not facilitate yesterday's move.   Are you a fan of RObert Zuccaro too?
Nov 17, 2009 3:23 pm

[quote=howboutshoeshine][quote=Spaceman Spiff]That’s interesting.  I read exactly the opposite.  According to S&P on the NYSE 2485 companies rose yesterday while 576 declined.  75 were unchanged.  341 stocks hit new highs with only 1 hitting a new low.  Now, I don’t know, and I’m not going to take the time to figure it out, what happened on the other markets, but as far as the big board goes, it was a good day.   

  Are you a Glenn Beck fan too?[/quote]   I follow all mkts. The statement is TRUE. like it or not. You didn't read the opposite you looked at one source, it made you feel good so you stopped. According to your numbers 60% advanced and that's not correct, but even if it was. That's NOT a good day. Certainly could not facilitate yesterday's move.   Are you a fan of RObert Zuccaro too?[/quote]     All markets?  You are saying 80% of stock worldwide fell?  Source?
Nov 17, 2009 4:00 pm
howboutshoeshine:

Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

  wrong how stupid
Nov 17, 2009 4:34 pm

[quote=howboutshoeshine][quote=Spaceman Spiff]That’s interesting.  I read exactly the opposite.  According to S&P on the NYSE 2485 companies rose yesterday while 576 declined.  75 were unchanged.  341 stocks hit new highs with only 1 hitting a new low.  Now, I don’t know, and I’m not going to take the time to figure it out, what happened on the other markets, but as far as the big board goes, it was a good day.   

  Are you a Glenn Beck fan too?[/quote]   I follow all mkts. The statement is TRUE. like it or not. You didn't read the opposite you looked at one source, it made you feel good so you stopped. According to your numbers 60% advanced and that's not correct, but even if it was. That's NOT a good day. Certainly could not facilitate yesterday's move.   Are you a fan of RObert Zuccaro too?[/quote]   OK, fine.  According to S&P:  DJIA            up  136.49                                              S&P 500      up   15.82                                              NASDAQ      up    29.97                                              S&P/TSX      up  104.58                                              FTSE 100     up   86.29                                              CAC 40        up   57.15                                              DAX             up   117.99 (a 2% jump)                                              Japan          up     20.87                                              Hong Kong  up    390.35   Additionally gold, silver, and crude oil rose yesterday too.    My sources are S&P and the info I got off of our Jones system.  Of course Jones could be part of the  bigger plot to take down the financial markets, but I doubt it.  I haven't confirmed yet where they get their data for the foreign markets, but I'm sure it's not the National Enquirer.    I'd love to see the article that said that 80% of stocks were down yesterday.  Just for the fair and balanced reporting.  How about you post a link?  
Nov 17, 2009 4:41 pm

From the NYSE.  Not exact sampling, but if someone would like to run through and count all of the reds, it is unlikely that it will be 80%.

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-NYSE.html?mod=stocksdaily

Nov 17, 2009 4:47 pm

Here’s London:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_London.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Nov 17, 2009 4:47 pm

[quote=howboutshoeshine]Did anyone know that 80% of my stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.[/quote]



You guys misread his post.

Nov 17, 2009 4:48 pm

Germany:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_Frankfurt.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Nov 17, 2009 4:49 pm

Turkey:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_Istanbul.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Nov 17, 2009 4:50 pm

Italy:

 http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_Milan.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Brazil:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-cl_brazi.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Nov 17, 2009 4:52 pm

This must be what you’re talking about.  The Chilean market got slammed!

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-cl_chile.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

In your defense, there are only four stocks here, so this could have been eighty percent

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_Prague.html?mod=topnav_2_3024

Nov 17, 2009 4:56 pm

Sweden, perhaps:

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3024-EuropeanStocks_Stockholm.html?mod=topnav_2_3024


Nov 17, 2009 5:31 pm

I’m actually looking forward to him posting his source.  If Google can’t come up with anything that says 80% of stocks were down yesterday amid a nice gain in the world wide markets, then it will be interesting to see what he has been reading.

  Moraen - don't you know that the WSJ is just the mouthpiece for the corrupt capitalist movement in this country?  You should really start reading more appropriate materials.  You should start here:    http://www.amazon.com/Communist-Manifesto-Karl-Marx/dp/1438241569/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258478980&sr=8-1
Nov 17, 2009 5:34 pm

[quote=Spaceman Spiff]I’m actually looking forward to him posting his source.  If Google can’t come up with anything that says 80% of stocks were down yesterday amid a nice gain in the world wide markets, then it will be interesting to see what he has been reading.

  Moraen - don't you know that the WSJ is just the mouthpiece for the corrupt capitalist movement in this country?  You should really start reading more appropriate materials.  You should start here:    http://www.amazon.com/Communist-Manifesto-Karl-Marx/dp/1438241569/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258478980&sr=8-1[/quote]

Of course I know the WSJ is evil, but even they can't just make up numbers, can they?
Nov 17, 2009 5:37 pm

What the hell does it matter. They are all going down soon. Some of them are just getting a head start

Nov 17, 2009 5:39 pm

Maybe you are reading the wrong bar on the chart again.

Nov 17, 2009 5:40 pm

How can there be a chart of what is going to happen ? what are you ? stupid !

Nov 17, 2009 5:42 pm

[quote=THE BUBBLE GROWS]What the hell does it matter. They are all going down soon. Some of them are just getting a head start[/quote]

THAT’S RIGHT SUCKAS!  IT’S GONNA RAIN DOWN SOON.  ACATS ALL OVER THE PLACE.  YOU SUCKAS ARE GONNA PAY.

LOOK AT IT RAIN.  IT’S GETTING A HEAD START BEFORE IT RAINS.  ONLY 7 AND A HALF DAYS BEFORE THE RAIN COMES TUMBLING DOWN.  THE MARKET ONLY HAS TO DROP 2% PER DAY TO REACH MY PREDICTION OF 950!

BETTER START SHORING UP YOUR DEFENSES IN THE THUNDERCASTLE, 'CAUSE THEM CLIENTS OF YOURS ARE GONNA RAIN IT DOWN UP ON YOUR HEAD.

LET IT RAIN!!!

THUNDERCATS HO!

Nov 17, 2009 5:43 pm

[quote=THE BUBBLE GROWS]How can there be a chart of what is going to happen ? what are you ? stupid ![/quote]

No.  But I know how to read a bar chart.  Wouldn’t that make me smarter than you at the very least?

Nov 18, 2009 1:04 am
howboutshoeshine:

Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

WTF?  Seriously.  Let me guess how this idea germinated.  You were going to town on a "players" maroon bostonian wingtips, in BF, Nebraska.  He noticed your dedication and said, "Hey, want some inside info on a bull market bubble conspiracy?"  You're like, "Sure."  He says, "Ok, buff my balls, and I'll fill you in."    So you got an insiders viewpoint, and now there's a day trader in Omaha with shiny balls.   You birthed this thread, show a proof of life.  Watcha got? 
Nov 18, 2009 2:40 am
RicRelo:

[quote=howboutshoeshine]Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

WTF?  Seriously.  Let me guess how this idea germinated.  You were going to town on a "players" maroon bostonian wingtips, in BF, Nebraska.  He noticed your dedication and said, "Hey, want some inside info on a bull market bubble conspiracy?"  You're like, "Sure."  He says, "Ok, buff my balls, and I'll fill you in."    So you got an insiders viewpoint, and now there's a day trader in Omaha with shiny balls.   You birthed this thread, show a proof of life.  Watcha got?  [/quote]   It was more like this........   Gargle..... gargle...... gargel.......Miss Ricelo take my b*lls out of your mouth before you let me in on the market. B*tch! Look it up for yourself FGIT!
Nov 18, 2009 2:49 am
howboutshoeshine:

[quote=RicRelo][quote=howboutshoeshine]Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

WTF?  Seriously.  Let me guess how this idea germinated.  You were going to town on a "players" maroon bostonian wingtips, in BF, Nebraska.  He noticed your dedication and said, "Hey, want some inside info on a bull market bubble conspiracy?"  You're like, "Sure."  He says, "Ok, buff my balls, and I'll fill you in."    So you got an insiders viewpoint, and now there's a day trader in Omaha with shiny balls.   You birthed this thread, show a proof of life.  Watcha got?  [/quote]   It was more like this........   Gargle..... gargle...... gargel.......Miss Ricelo take my b*lls out of your mouth before you let me in on the market. B*tch! Look it up for yourself FGIT![/quote] Ok, that makes sense.  You got the theory from me, ball shiner.   Seriously...no proof you didn't shine balls?  A web link.  A newspaper article.  Your sisters pimps cousins mechanic had a theory.  You must have something to demonstrate this level of insight.  Nothing?  All just made up fiction?
Nov 18, 2009 3:00 am

shoeshine - I posted the links to all of the closing prices for a ton of markets yesterday. I would say the sample size made it relevant and there was no significant difference in variability.



I tried looking up the 80%, because I’m truly interested in where you got the information. Could not find anything. It’s possible that my Google skills are lacking, but I did make the effort.



Nov 18, 2009 3:02 am

Ricelo, ( I love the females in your family, very talented)( oops, your father was a piece of *ss too)

  I have NEVER posted without proof, however you think you're gonna come here talkin your retard sh*t and get a response? You stupid child. Go F*CK yourself. This time....peabrain....you will have to find it yourself. you won't be able too, to stupid. Oh ya, don't steal my google line you dumb f*ck. Think of your own smack talk. And if you can't, ask your family I just abused the sh*t out of all of them.
Nov 18, 2009 3:04 am

[quote=howboutshoeshine] Ricelo, ( I love the females in your family, very talented)( oops, your father was a piece of ss too)



I have NEVER posted without proof, however you think you’re gonna come here talkin your retard sht and get a response? You stupid child. Go FCK yourself. This time…peabrain…you will have to find it yourself. you won’t be able too, to stupid. Oh ya, don’t steal my google line you dumb fck. Think of your own smack talk. And if you can’t, ask your family I just abused the sh*t out of all of them.[/quote]



Ok. Could you PM the link to me then?

Nov 18, 2009 3:04 am
Moraen:

shoeshine - I posted the links to all of the closing prices for a ton of markets yesterday. I would say the sample size made it relevant and there was no significant difference in variability.

I tried looking up the 80%, because I’m truly interested in where you got the information. Could not find anything. It’s possible that my Google skills are lacking, but I did make the effort.

  Again,   Don't quote my google line. Also, Moraen you can find proper info. I'm not gonna argue here anymore. It's a fact and if you CAN'T find it that's a real shame.
Nov 18, 2009 3:10 am

I didn’t realize you had a monopoly on Google lines. I’m not trying to argue with you. I posted links to closing prices to back up my side of the debate. I’m just asking you to do the same. Why make the post, if not to debate it?



Seriously, a lot of your posts have been making more sense. Just trying to keep the convo going.

Nov 18, 2009 3:14 am

[quote=howboutshoeshine]Ricelo, ( I love the females in your family, very talented)( oops, your father was a piece of *ss too)

  I have NEVER posted without proof, however you think you're gonna come here talkin your retard sh*t and get a response? You stupid child. Go F*CK yourself. This time....peabrain....you will have to find it yourself. you won't be able too, to stupid. Oh ya, don't steal my google line you dumb f*ck. Think of your own smack talk. And if you can't, ask your family I just abused the sh*t out of all of them.[/quote] Wow, bitter much?  I must have missed the proof, as did Moraen.  Hence the reason we've been asking for proof.  Appearantly, we're both incapable of finding the proof anywhere in this solar system.    Please provide the proof.  I offer $1000 if you provide the proof in the next 30 minutes.  Stop shining balls and provide proof.
Nov 18, 2009 3:21 am

[quote=howboutshoeshine]Ricelo, ( I love the females in your family, very talented)( oops, your father was a piece of *ss too)

  I have NEVER posted without proof, however you think you're gonna come here talkin your retard sh*t and get a response? You stupid child. Go F*CK yourself. This time....peabrain....you will have to find it yourself. you won't be able too, to stupid. Oh ya, don't steal my google line you dumb f*ck. Think of your own smack talk. And if you can't, ask your family I just abused the sh*t out of all of them.[/quote] Ok, dipstick.  You started this post.  You started it with no proof.  Bring it baby.  You're a ball shiner, unless you give some proof of your statements.
Nov 18, 2009 3:30 am

eoddata.com- Enjoy.

  Would have posted sooner Moraen, but I am sick of these kids  
Nov 18, 2009 3:34 am
mlgone:

when are you “going to get as real is gets” fag shiner?

  Harder to find your IP address than I thought. Tried a couple of scams. Didn't work. Your chat room anonymity is safe. CONGRADS. I would fly anywhere to meet you little boy.
Nov 18, 2009 3:39 am
howboutshoeshine:

[quote=mlgone]when are you “going to get as real is gets” fag shiner?

  Harder to find your IP address than I thought. Tried a couple of scams. Didn't work. Your chat room anonymity is safe. CONGRADS. I would fly anywhere to meet you little boy.[/quote] So you started this thread why?   You're a ball shiner.
Nov 18, 2009 3:44 am
mlgone:

of course you would faggot. and I would beat you down on your arrival at the handicap gate… All talk no walk Biatch…   Go to sleep TOOL

  Funny you say that.....I am fisting your mother and ass banging Ricelo's sister.  Do you two look like your family. Maybe I could FCK you too! B*TCH!
Nov 18, 2009 3:49 am
howboutshoeshine:

Did anyone know that 80% of stocks were in the red at the close yesterday? You heard me. And yes, prices continued to rise. Whenever the scam that is producing these results in uncovered, we will have a collapse that makes last year look like you jumped off the first step of your mothers house.  Anyone here that thinks this rise is genuine better think again and ENJOY this move. This is the work of the PPA or PPT whatever you call them.

God I hate it when people post crap they can't back up, then get all indignent when someone questions them.    Ok, maybe I'm not the type that says, "Hey, great post.  Would you mind sending me your research that brought you to your conclusion, when you have a chance?  I'd really like to enlighten myself with your incredible knowledge."    Yeah, I'm the prick that called him a ball shiner.  But, it cut to the chase, no?    No proof of life.  But he wants to enjoy my dad...ugh.
Nov 18, 2009 3:55 am

Posted the source FGITS

Nov 18, 2009 4:21 am
howboutshoeshine:

Posted the source FGITS

So instead of providing some evidence of your theory, you're going to leave us all with a claim you have had your way with my dad?  You win....stocks were clearly down, and the indexes were rigged.  Ball shiner.
Nov 18, 2009 6:10 am

[quote=howboutshoeshine]Ricelo, ( I love the females in your family, very talented)( oops, your father was a piece of *ss too)

  I have NEVER posted without proof, however you think you're gonna come here talkin your retard sh*t and get a response? You stupid child. Go F*CK yourself. This time....peabrain....you will have to find it yourself. you won't be able too, to stupid. Oh ya, don't steal my google line you dumb f*ck. Think of your own smack talk. And if you can't, ask your family I just abused the sh*t out of all of them.[/quote] - Not sure why you wanting to have my dads *ss is important here, but call him if you like - What's the proof you have NEVER posted without?  I don't see it in your post. - Thanks for responding - What's your google line I stole?  Seriously, you keep saying that.  What is it?  Is it the word "a"? - I think if you used schmack instead of smack it would have more impact...kind of has a sound effect quality to it.  You'd sound tougher and feel much better about yourself. - Why do you want to abuse my family...I thought  we were talking about 80% of the stocks dropping on an up day? - Ball shiner  
Nov 18, 2009 1:18 pm

[quote=howboutshoeshine]eoddata.com- Enjoy.

  Would have posted sooner Moraen, but I am sick of these kids  [/quote]

I downloaded the data for the 16th for the global indices at eoddata.com.

Out of 648 indices, 42 were negative, for 6.4% of all global indices are negative.

I then loaded the NASDAQ data in and calculated the percentage change for each security.

There were 2894 stocks trading on the 16th for the NASDAQ.  804 of them were negative, meaning that only 27% of the NASDAQ stocks were negative.

I then loaded the NYSE data in and calculated the percentage change.

There were 3198 stocks trading on the 16th on the NYSE.  893 were negative, meaning that 27.9% of the the NYSE stocks were negative.

I then formulated the hypothesis that the global exchanges would have a percentage similar to the NYSE and NASDAQ, because their variability is not significantly different.  However when I tried to access the Australia and London exchanges it told me I needed a higher membership level.

And since I can't see it while typing this, I'm not sure if the original question referred to Global or U.S.  But unless I get the data, I'll just have to go with that on November 16th, only 27% of all U.S. stocks were negative, adjusted for outliers, both positive and negative.
Nov 18, 2009 2:41 pm

That’s why I like debating with you.  The last few pages of this thread were completely useless until you made that post. 

Nov 18, 2009 3:13 pm

If howboutshoeshine’s goal here was to get people to waste their own time, then he has won.

Nov 18, 2009 3:17 pm

[quote=Wet_Blanket]If howboutshoeshine’s goal here was to get people to waste their own time, then he has won.[/quote]

It really didn’t take me that long, and it was an interesting process.  Simply download the .csv file into JMP, click analyze, and voila! 

This kind of stuff interests me, so I actually should thank shoeshine for providing me with the distraction.

Nov 19, 2009 3:37 pm

I think Shoeshine was trying to prove a point that you all missed.  There is a lot of bullish bs on here and maybe he just wanted to add some of that to the other side. I have read his posts for the last couple of months and there is no way he believed this.

Nov 19, 2009 3:38 pm
BigKahuna:

I think Shoeshine was trying to prove a point that you all missed.  There is a lot of bullish bs on here and maybe he just wanted to add some of that to the other side. I have red his posts for the last couple of months and there is no way he believed this.

  BINGO. And you're welcome Moraen, I knew you would appreciate that site. Peace
Nov 19, 2009 11:06 pm
BigKahuna:

I think Shoeshine was trying to prove a point that you all missed.  There is a lot of bullish bs on here and maybe he just wanted to add some of that to the other side. I have read his posts for the last couple of months and there is no way he believed this.

He joined 36 days ago? wtf
Nov 19, 2009 11:07 pm

Everyone stay calm…it doesn’t matter if you clients lose all of their money, the mkt averages 10 % over the past 100 years.

Nov 20, 2009 12:09 am
DeBolt:

[quote=BigKahuna]I think Shoeshine was trying to prove a point that you all missed.  There is a lot of bullish bs on here and maybe he just wanted to add some of that to the other side. I have read his posts for the last couple of months and there is no way he believed this.

He joined 36 days ago? wtf[/quote]   Great math stupid!!!! Missing his whole point. WHAT A SHOCKER!
Nov 20, 2009 5:32 pm

[quote=mlgone] Shine



I mean Mel



be carefull



Schizophrenia is a (biological) disease (of the brain) that ebbs & flows. Acute periods are called “relapses” when patients experience sensations that are an addition to their usual repertoire of feelings. Because they are additions, they are referred to as “positive symptoms” but they are far from positive in the sense of being wanted. They are the hallucinations, delusions & thought confusions which return periodically, triggered, probably, by a variety of stresses. They respond, in general, to decreased stimuli, calm interactions, & antipsychotic medicine.[/quote]







Nov 22, 2009 3:39 am

it’s over

Nov 22, 2009 5:31 pm
mlgone:

sup Mel




it's over ( someone please tell this to iceco1d. be careful though , I've heard he's a real pussy and this might upset him )
Nov 22, 2009 11:38 pm
Lou:

[quote=mlgone] sup Mel




it's over ( someone please tell this to iceco1d. be careful though , I've heard he's a real pussy and this might upset him )[/quote]

Lou - Is it your purpose to not provide any value at all? 

It seems you have no solutions, only problems.  Most of which are yours.  You spend your time attempting to track down people on this forum and for what?  So you can amuse yourself outing them?

Or is it because you want to see their picture and jack off to it?

Does your Mom not love you anymore?  Or that your Dad loved you too much?

Or are you the product of genetic mosaicism and can't figure out if you are male or female?

Your responses are juvenile, and you think that you know more than you actually do.  From your angry post against the guy advertising leads, you must be in the business.  But you must not do very well.  Is that anger a product of getting fired?

Are you a guy who got fired from a wire and thought they "went Indy" and now are collecting welfare and food stamps?  Are you posting from a basement or maybe you are from Nigeria and are not smart enough to actually put out a scam letter.  At least those will garner better responses than you've been receiving.

I don't post much, but my suggestion to you is to find a place where people will care about what you think.  It will give your ego a much needed boost and maybe you won't be such an asshole.
Nov 23, 2009 1:09 am

magician:



lou is mel



mel has like 20 names