Why do firms like former military so much
I posted a few months ago about getting into this industry, and it was said then that military experience was second to none, why?? <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
What is it about former service members that these firms love so much?
Does the same apply to both Officers and Enlisted?
People hat have Discipline!
They’re trained kool-aid drinkers!..
I kid, I kid!
Not sure what this sentence actually means but I will use the last word discipline. Military is based on a schedule and keeping to that schedule and getting items done inside that schedule.. Similar to an advisor.People hat have Discipline!
Chief,
That is exactly what I meant so I appreciate you expanding for me. Sorry I was in such a hurry to respond. People that have been in the military have discipline and are accustomed to doing tasks that are assigned to them. That is what this job is all about. Make the calls, do the work and you can be successful.Discipline and determination. Starting out in the business doing cold calling you have to be strong in both these areas. What better place to look thnn the military.
Most military in this business never went to bootcamp, they were officers. The benefit of military training includes discipline, but also the ability to study and learn, a code of ethics, ability to follow regulations, and responsibility. As a young officer, I had significant responsibilities that none of my civilian peers were exposed to.
OK, good to know. What about pay?? <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
A place like MSSB will pay you a salary based partially on what you were making prior, correct?
As any service member will know, what you bring home and what is taxable are two different things. For example only my base pay is taxable, BAH, BAS, COLA is all non taxable, so if you look at your W-2 (assuming this is the document they will use to establish prior income) it show you made considerably less than what you actually brought home.
Total entitlements $80,000 (LES). Total TAXABLE entitlements 36,000 (W-2). I would think they would use the number most beneficial to them and pay a smaller salary.
What do you guys think?
As one of those guys, here are my thoughts.
(1) My current managing principal calls it the “patina” or life experiences. We know how to work and we have the discipline to complete the Series 7 and 66.
(2) We generally come with clear backgrounds. I was surprised how many people who rolled through the firm had financial issues or previous issues with FINRA.
(3) The military network. That is supposed to translate into a ready pool of eligible clients.
and maybe most importantly…
(4) Money. If you retire you’ll be collecting your retirement pay and can afford to work for mere pittance until your start really producing.
Never met a military type in this business who was successful.
Says the guy who apparently never picked up a rifle and stepped on the line.
I know plenty of successful vets. I also know plenty of them that failed. Being in the military in and of itself does not make you successful.
Firms like military people for one reason: they are trainable. Firms feel if they can train someone to be successful, they WILL be successful.
However, the military has just as many lazy people as the rest of the country.
[quote=vbrainy]Never met a military type in this business who was successful.[/quote]
And how the fck would you know every military guy in this business? Guys like us have done more in a month than you have done your entire life. So go fck yourself.
As Moraen says, not every military veteran is successful. However, we know how to take instructions and execute. So when I was told by my first sales manager that I need to have x appointments per week to be successful, that’s what I strive for; I don’t b*tch and complain like vbrainy’s whiny ass.
I should have joined the military… instead of following the dead around
To bad you can't read, pretty aggressive too. You will go out with a bang.[quote=vbrainy]Never met a military type in this business who was successful.[/quote]
And how the fck would you know every military guy in this business? Guys like us have done more in a month than you have done your entire life. So go fck yourself.
As Moraen says, not every military veteran is successful. However, we know how to take instructions and execute. So when I was told by my first sales manager that I need to have x appointments per week to be successful, that’s what I strive for; I don’t b*tch and complain like vbrainy’s whiny ass.
Army13A- Was that outburst really necessary? If you can't control yourself stay off the forum.[quote=vbrainy]Never met a military type in this business who was successful.[/quote]
And how the fck would you know every military guy in this business? Guys like us have done more in a month than you have done your entire life. So go fck yourself.
As Moraen says, not every military veteran is successful. However, we know how to take instructions and execute. So when I was told by my first sales manager that I need to have x appointments per week to be successful, that’s what I strive for; I don’t b*tch and complain like vbrainy’s whiny ass.
Anyone can be successful in this business. Just have not met a military type who has made it to the upper rungs.
As far as how fantastic and great the experience is, hey if that is how it was for you great. My father raised 6 responsible kids, was loyal to his wife, devoted to his faith and provided for his family for working 7 days a week. He was a hard working good man---you do not have to be in the military to be able to: work learn follow orders succeed. And I agree with on my own. Army you have way too short of a fuse. All we need is someone like you with their finger on the button.[quote=vbrainy]
Anyone can be successful in this business. Just have not met a military type who has made it to the upper rungs.
As far as how fantastic and great the experience is, hey if that is how it was for you great. My father raised 6 responsible kids, was loyal to his wife, devoted to his faith and provided for his family for working 7 days a week. He was a hard working good man---you do not have to be in the military to be able to: work learn follow orders succeed. And I agree with on my own. Army you have way too short of a fuse. All we need is someone like you with their finger on the button. [/quote]Ok. Now you have gone too far. The first post you made could be taken as you just sharing what you know (although I don't understand why you felt the need to share, since the question was "Why do firms like former military so much", not "Does anybody know any successful FAs that were former military types").
You are correct, you do not need to be in the military to be able to work, learn, follow orders or succeed. I am glad that your father, who did not serve, took advantage of the freedoms provided in this country to make that life for himself and his family.
However, I take exception to your last statement. While he volunteered for the military, which in no way obligates you to bow down and worship everything he says, he has still participated in serving this country in a way 99% of the country hasn't. He has fought terror in the most inhospitable places for you. So that you can be a successful FA.
You have no idea what he has been through. You want to talk about NOT having someone like him with his finger on the button. Let me tell you something. People "like him" saved people like me in Iraq ALL OF THE TIME. Not to mention that he was fighting against people of his own faith. I can't imagine what that cost him.
His fuse is short because of your apparent lack of regard for those who served. That is your right. That is what this country is all about.
But for you to talk about not having someone like him with his finger on the button shows your utter lack of understanding for anything we have done.
I would rather you just kept your mouth shut. If you want to speak about who should be fighting and who shouldn't, then like I said in my previous post: Pick up a rifle and get on line!
Army13A- Was that outburst really necessary? If you can't control yourself stay off the forum. [/quote][quote=army13A] [quote=vbrainy]Never met a military type in this business who was successful.[/quote]
And how the fck would you know every military guy in this business? Guys like us have done more in a month than you have done your entire life. So go fck yourself.
As Moraen says, not every military veteran is successful. However, we know how to take instructions and execute. So when I was told by my first sales manager that I need to have x appointments per week to be successful, that’s what I strive for; I don’t b*tch and complain like vbrainy’s whiny ass.
Was that meant for you? No, so just keep on moving.
[quote=Moraen]
[quote=vbrainy]
Anyone can be successful in this business. Just have not met a military type who has made it to the upper rungs.
As far as how fantastic and great the experience is, hey if that is how it was for you great. My father raised 6 responsible kids, was loyal to his wife, devoted to his faith and provided for his family for working 7 days a week. He was a hard working good man---you do not have to be in the military to be able to: work learn follow orders succeed. And I agree with on my own. Army you have way too short of a fuse. All we need is someone like you with their finger on the button. [/quote]Ok. Now you have gone too far. The first post you made could be taken as you just sharing what you know (although I don't understand why you felt the need to share, since the question was "Why do firms like former military so much", not "Does anybody know any successful FAs that were former military types").
You are correct, you do not need to be in the military to be able to work, learn, follow orders or succeed. I am glad that your father, who did not serve, took advantage of the freedoms provided in this country to make that life for himself and his family.
However, I take exception to your last statement. While he volunteered for the military, which in no way obligates you to bow down and worship everything he says, he has still participated in serving this country in a way 99% of the country hasn't. He has fought terror in the most inhospitable places for you. So that you can be a successful FA.
You have no idea what he has been through. You want to talk about NOT having someone like him with his finger on the button. Let me tell you something. People "like him" saved people like me in Iraq ALL OF THE TIME. Not to mention that he was fighting against people of his own faith. I can't imagine what that cost him.
His fuse is short because of your apparent lack of regard for those who served. That is your right. That is what this country is all about.
But for you to talk about not having someone like him with his finger on the button shows your utter lack of understanding for anything we have done.
I would rather you just kept your mouth shut. If you want to speak about who should be fighting and who shouldn't, then like I said in my previous post: Pick up a rifle and get on line!
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Like Moraen said, the topic was "Why do firms like former military so much" and not your idiotic comment. You're probably one of those guys who didn't have the balls to put on a uniform or respond with a "I almost enlisted in the Marines but . . ."
As for your last sentence that Moraen roasted you on, I slept with my finger on the trigger for 15 months in Baghdad while you were chomping on donuts and watching reality tv shows.
Chris Gardner was a Navy man, genius.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
Look ... I've got a star hanging in my window, and soon I'll have two more. I support you, and can't believe the sacrifices you've (in the general sense of veterans) made so idiots can sit at their computers and waste pixels. On top of that, you (specifically) make generally lucid comments that get my head nodding and I haven't seen word one from Mr. Brains worth repeating. You've earned the right to have your finger any damn place you want it. All that said, you shouldn't lose all sense of decorum, drop f bombs and then tell people not to put their noses into comments you made in a professional forum. Morean made basically the same points you did, without vulgarity. End of the day, I wouldn't write something here I wouldn't want my clients or superiors to read. Your choice I suppose.
Was that meant for you? No, so just keep on moving.
Army13A-
I respect what our Armed Forces have done. My Grandfather was a Ranger and stormed the beach at Normandy and survived...My Uncle was a Marine...Brother-In-Law graduated from West Point. I know that your comments were not directed at me...and I know that you'll agree and others will agree that this is a professional forum and the individuals that read these posts should not have to be subjected to you having a meltdown and dropping F bombs. Reading that post is offensive.[quote=on my own]Army13A-
I respect what our Armed Forces have done. My Grandfather was a Ranger and stormed the beach at Normandy and survived...My Uncle was a Marine...Brother-In-Law graduated from West Point. I know that your comments were not directed at me...and I know that you'll agree and others will agree that this is a professional forum and the individuals that read these posts should not have to be subjected to you having a meltdown and dropping F bombs. Reading that post is offensive.[/quote]Irony. I know this post was not directed at me, but I feel the need to respond. You may have found Army's post offensive. But it is likely that he found the post by vbrainy just as offensive, and thus responded in a way that expressed that disgust.
I, too found vbrainy's post to be offensive. The first thing I typed was similar to Army's. I erased it for a more moderated tone.
Once again, I will state that "knowing somebody" in the military or who is a veteran is not the same as actually being a war veteran. Respect for the Armed Forces is not the same as being in the Armed forces.
Vbrainy's post was not necessary, and did not move the conversation forward. It was said in a casual way that is insulting to most who have served. The implication was that military people are not successful in this business. If you follow the line of reasoning from that, it means that firms are making a mistake in hiring them and any experiences they had in the military invalidate their ability to make it as an FA.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Vbrainy was trying to put down members of the military.
[quote=Moraen]
[quote=on my own]Army13A-
I respect what our Armed Forces have done. My Grandfather was a Ranger and stormed the beach at Normandy and survived...My Uncle was a Marine...Brother-In-Law graduated from West Point. I know that your comments were not directed at me...and I know that you'll agree and others will agree that this is a professional forum and the individuals that read these posts should not have to be subjected to you having a meltdown and dropping F bombs. Reading that post is offensive.[/quote]Irony. I know this post was not directed at me, but I feel the need to respond. You may have found Army's post offensive. But it is likely that he found the post by vbrainy just as offensive, and thus responded in a way that expressed that disgust.
I, too found vbrainy's post to be offensive. The first thing I typed was similar to Army's. I erased it for a more moderated tone.
Once again, I will state that "knowing somebody" in the military or who is a veteran is not the same as actually being a war veteran. Respect for the Armed Forces is not the same as being in the Armed forces.
Vbrainy's post was not necessary, and did not move the conversation forward. It was said in a casual way that is insulting to most who have served. The implication was that military people are not successful in this business. If you follow the line of reasoning from that, it means that firms are making a mistake in hiring them and any experiences they had in the military invalidate their ability to make it as an FA.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Vbrainy was trying to put down members of the military.
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MLgone, thanks for your response. I don't think "I'm the man" in any way but I just hate when individuals do what vbrainy did.
LockEDJ, I understand what you're saying and be more careful in how I respond to idiots on this forum.
On my own, you have no idea where we're coming from buddy. Like Moraen said, walking in our shoes is different than knowing someone who did. F bombs are offensive to you, disrespecting Vets is offensive to me.
This thread has taken one heck of a turn.
Relax, breathe deep. Oh, and do some prospecting and open some accounts while you are at it.
NEVER said anything negative about our country or our military. Just that "I have never met a military type who was successful" in this business. This business is about building and maintaining with wealthy people who value your services. REALIZE that not every client will like you or that you will like every client. This is a great profession, but unless you can tone it down and focus on what is important, you may as well go back to the army that you love.The implications were negative. There was no reason for your post. Once again, the question was NOT, “hey does anybody know any successful military-type people”.
If you were not responding to the OP, what was your purpose in what you wrote? In your more recent post, where you say that your father did not serve but lived an honorable, productive life, you then expressed an opinion on the type of people we should have in the military, when you have no clue what it takes.
Still, even this most recent post, you never explicitly state that there is anything wrong with our military, but your implications are clear.
You don’t like the military. I will not try to guess why, but it is obvious that you don’t.
I think Army is doing quite well without your useless advice vbrainy. And if we wants to express his thoughts on something you said on a forum, he is free to. Just like you are free to voice your obvious prejudice against American military personnel.
“you may as well go back to the army that you love” is so blatantly anti-military I don’t even know where to begin.
Just because someone doesn’t explicitly state something doesn’t mean we can’t figure out what you mean.
Never met a military type in this business who was successful.
As a veteran, I could choose to be insulted and angered by this statement. But I choose not to be. All it stated was that he never met a military type who was successful. How many military types has he met? How does he determine success? And who really gives a sh-t? During the Vietnam era, and for a time after, military were treated like crap. It's relatively recently that this has changed. Particularly since the draft ended. The underlying question is, does military experience help or hurt? I believe that it usually helps, and should increase your chance of success in any endeavor.
Maybe we should be a little more Buddhist and not take offence so quickly. The OP may be deluded, but who isn't?
Honestly people. Grow up. Didn’t you develop a thick skin in the military? Well, you will need one on this job.
I wish everyone in this profession success. The skills that you need to succeed in this job can come from many areas. This is NOT a black and white job. Why do firms like military? I have not seen that preference for Financial Advisors. I have seen a preference for military types as trainers. (Those who can't, teach) oh, and I have NEVER seen a military type reach the top ranks in this business. I have seen a couple flunk out and become Branch Managers or the like. YOU WANT THE TRUTH!!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!![quote=vbrainy]Honestly people. Grow up. Didn’t you develop a thick skin in the military? Well, you will need one on this job. I developed a severe paranoia that causes me to be highly alert at all times. Thick skins aren’t required among brothers. You completely open yourself up. You will never understand.
This is NOT a black and white job. Why do firms like military? I have not seen that preference for Financial Advisors. I have seen a preference for military types as trainers. (Those who can't, teach) This is an idiotic statement. There is a lady in my state (Logistics officer for SF) that was not only a Top Gun at Merrill, but started her own brokerage firm.
oh, and I have NEVER seen a military type reach the top ranks in this business. I have seen a couple flunk out and become Branch Managers or the like. Your limited experience notwithstanding, out of the top 50 indy advisors last year precisely twenty are veterans.
YOU WANT THE TRUTH!!! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! The truth is you have no clue what you are talking about. In either sense. You think that Army is angry and violent. You are clueless and you purposefully insulted members of the military in a backhanded manner (you still are!). It might be time to put a little "gr" in your attitude.
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Drop and give me 20.
Or better yet, put your money where your mouth is. Bring in some assets and do some revenue.[quote=vbrainy]Drop and give me 20.
Or better yet, put your money where your mouth is. Bring in some assets and do some revenue.[/quote]Army was right.
What a douche.
Go fcuk yourself.
What was the question? “Why does the industry like military folks so much?”
Because you need a pension or a working spouse to survice the first three years!I know nothing about the military being preferred or not. I hope they are. I never served and owe them a huge debt for their service. I live near a base and see what comes back from our various wars. It kills me when I think of those kids coming home in pieces.
I thank them all.amen Gaddock
Do firms consider your service as a janitor as a feather in your cap?
Guys, I know what vbrainy’s problem is. “Jody got his girl and is gone”. If you have to ask about that you wouldn’t understand.
Anyone here not willing to salute our former and current servicepeople should be stripped of their license. PERIOD. Its time to get some respect in your scuzzy little disgusting fatbodies.[quote=vbrainy] Drop and give me 20.
Or better yet, put your money where your mouth is. Bring in some assets and do some revenue.[/quote
You’re such a turd. Better yet, I would love to put my fist where your mouth is but that would be too easy. Jody definitely got the best of him, hence all the animosity towards military.
[quote=Bud Fox]Guys, I know what vbrainy’s problem is. “Jody got his girl and is gone”. If you have to ask about that you wouldn’t understand.
Anyone here not willing to salute our former and current servicepeople should be stripped of their license. PERIOD. Its time to get some respect in your scuzzy little disgusting fatbodies.[/quote][quote=NOVA]What was the question? “Why does the industry like military folks so much?”
Because you need a pension or a working spouse to survice the first three years![/quote] True that.See you try to have an intelligent conversation and they result to name calling and threats of violence. Childish. Got to learn to use your brains folks.
With all due respect to the honorable men and women who have served in our military.[quote=Bud Fox]Guys, I know what vbrainy’s problem is. “Jody got his girl and is gone”. If you have to ask about that you wouldn’t understand.
Anyone here not willing to salute our former and current servicepeople should be stripped of their license. PERIOD. Its time to get some respect in your scuzzy little disgusting fatbodies.[/quote] Jody was home with your mama and said she was so low she could play handball against the curb.Sorry but Jody never had any control over me.
SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
I hope this thread dies soon. It’s turning my stomach.
Can you communicate at all without profanity or aggressiveness? How in the world do you present yourself to clients. You must really have to work hard to clean yourself up to be able to discuss financial planning with ladies, gentlemen, and small business owners.SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
Can you communicate at all without profanity or aggressiveness? How in the world do you present yourself to clients. You must really have to work hard to clean yourself up to be able to discuss financial planning with ladies, gentlemen, and small business owners.[/quote][quote=Moraen]SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
Probably not. Just like you could likely not be anything but a coward.
Can you communicate at all without profanity or aggressiveness? How in the world do you present yourself to clients. You must really have to work hard to clean yourself up to be able to discuss financial planning with ladies, gentlemen, and small business owners.[/quote][quote=vbrainy][quote=Moraen]SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
Probably not. Just like you could likely not be anything but a coward.
[/quote] Spot it and YOU got it. You could not have lived through half of the trials I have faced and OVERCOME. Got a mighty partner on my side and His Grace is all I need. I fear nothing except my God. . .. .and least of all people like you. Get out of this business, you are not in it for the right reasons and the way you act and talk reflects negatively on every respectable Financial Advisor.
Can you communicate at all without profanity or aggressiveness? How in the world do you present yourself to clients. You must really have to work hard to clean yourself up to be able to discuss financial planning with ladies, gentlemen, and small business owners.[/quote][quote=Moraen] [quote=vbrainy][quote=Moraen]SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
Probably not. Just like you could likely not be anything but a coward.
[/quote] Spot it and YOU got it. You could not have lived through half of the trials I have faced and OVERCOME. Got a mighty partner on my side and His Grace is all I need. I fear nothing except my God. . .. .and least of all people like you. Get out of this business, you are not in it for the right reasons and the way you act and talk reflects negatively on every respectable Financial Advisor.[/quote]
I see. It is unlikely you have had to endure even close to what I have, but then again I have never walked in your shoes. Just like you have never walked in mine. Don't make assumptions when you have no clue about me.
I think you need to get out of this business. Let me tell you something. Not only do I service high net worth clients, but we have a non-profit that helps battered women and homeless vets. We do this at NO COST to them. Not the right reasons? Once again, you have no clue. Do you have an entire DEPARTMENT dedicated to helping people who cannot afford your services?
Can you communicate at all without profanity or aggressiveness? How in the world do you present yourself to clients. You must really have to work hard to clean yourself up to be able to discuss financial planning with ladies, gentlemen, and small business owners.[/quote][quote=Moraen] [quote=vbrainy][quote=Moraen]SSgt Forney - “Jody got yo girl in the hucklebuck like this. Unh, Unh, yeah, boy. You mad at me Joe, you mad at me? Sucks you can’t do sh!t”. Lol!
Probably not. Just like you could likely not be anything but a coward.
[/quote] Spot it and YOU got it. You could not have lived through half of the trials I have faced and OVERCOME. Got a mighty partner on my side and His Grace is all I need. I fear nothing except my God. . .. .and least of all people like you. Get out of this business, you are not in it for the right reasons and the way you act and talk reflects negatively on every respectable Financial Advisor.[/quote]
Also, the lack of fear does not mean you are brave - it means you are an idiot.
The ability to overcome fear is what makes you brave.
brushing the junk from you off my shoulder. pffft.
High net worth clients? Volunteer organizations??? tell it to someone who believes it. My bet is that you are no more than 23 years old with a ton of credit card debt. How close to the mark did I hit?[quote=vbrainy]brushing the junk from you off my shoulder. pffft.
High net worth clients? Volunteer organizations??? tell it to someone who believes it. My bet is that you are no more than 23 years old with a ton of credit card debt. How close to the mark did I hit?[/quote]Trying to push your mirror image out on me? Not even close. You can choose to believe what you will. There are people on this board who actually know me and know I'm the real deal. My guess is the only person you will get to back you up is an alter ego.
You are like meletio lite.
[quote=vbrainy] …Got a mighty partner on my side and His Grace is all I need. I fear nothing except my God.
. .. .and least of all people like you. Get out of this business, you are not in it for the right reasons and the way you act and talk reflects negatively on every respectable Financial Advisor.[/quote] You are precisely the sort of person that keeps people away from faith. Leave your "mighty partner" out of trying to establish superiority over another human being, jackass. It's the last thing your "God" would have you do. Whattabutthead.what a bunch of whiners and babies. you make my job so easy when I know I am competing against airbags like you all.
There goes that Christian attitude!
I’m the real deal.
Priceless! You kids all make this old fart laugh!
[quote=Moraen]I’m the real deal.
Priceless! You kids all make this old fart laugh![/quote]
If in fact you are old.
Older than I usually admit. Airborne, Korea (one jump at Munsan-ni) and multiple jumps in Viet nam. Go Moatengators!! Airborne!
[quote=Oldproducer] Older than I usually admit. Airborne, Korea (one jump at Munsan-ni) and multiple jumps in Viet nam. Go Moatengators!! Airborne![/quote]
Nice - You are old!
At least that was a real combat jump. I remember hearing from one of our other company’s that they had to clear the DZ so that 82nd could jump into KURDISTAN! Haha!
I’m a five jump chump, so I guess I can’t talk, but come on?! Just for a gold star on your wings that really doesn’t mean that much.
Well, you old timers paved the way. I did my best to uphold the honor of the Army. Appreciate all you did big brother!
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet" It is what it is.There goes that Christian attitude!
[quote=vbrainy][quote=Moraen] There goes that Christian attitude! [/quote]
Nice! An ignorant quote from an ignorant person.
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet" It is what it is.[/quote][quote=Moraen] There goes that Christian attitude!
Dude, just shut your trap. I have not seen one post from you that added any kind of value, so go back to the hole you crawled out from under.
Hold your horses… Let us respect each and every post we had. I don’t want to intrude to your opinion but I do respect each and everyone.
Why do firms like former military so much? Maybe it’s because they had the focus and discipline that they need. But actually some former military are stubborn, I have one co-worker that he is a stubborn one.
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Go away.
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