Seminar
I am planning my first seminar and would love to hear what has worked and what has failed from some vets.
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Maybe you can have wind book JIM CRAMER and NSYNC for you
I would like to hear opinions on Q&A type seminars vs. vendor etc. speech type.sorry to jump your post volt
volt - I’ll talk about what failed.
1. Letting the wholesaler "do the work" by giving the bulk of the time to them. Tell them up front that you'll be speaking most of the time. That person is to offer a small perspective. 2. Spending too much of your own money on seminars. Figure out how you can get the most back from Jones (I think you are with Jones - if not, my apologies) and only invite that many people. Often you can MAKE money on seminars if you do it right. I usually made about $10-$15 a seminar. 3. Don't not practice your seminar 4. Don't ignore the bad news and say, "Things will come back, they always have". People don't want to hear that. They want you to empathize. 5. Nothing from Skrainka works. 6. Don't use Jones seminar ideas - they suck. 7. Like Wind said, have someone from DOJ come out and talk about identity theft for seniors. You want to add value. You cannot add value with most of the product salesmen who "pay for the meal". Add value in areas that you cannot contribute. Have an attorney speak about wills and pay for his/her lunch. Have a CPA come in and talk to your business owners about revenue forecasting, determining profitable lines of business and axing the ones that aren't. These things will make it look like you care about them and don't just want the commission dollars Anybody who ever had a wholesaler come knows this line, "John will help you determine if American Funds are right for you." And at regional meetings, "We ask that you at least look at American Funds for your clients"..
How many American Funds wholesalers constitutes "most"? You sound "retarded" when you make generalizations such as this. In four months of production, you haven't had time to meet more than a "few wholesalers" to give the benefit of the doubt.I will give a few wholesalers the benefit of the doubt. There are a few, who will do more of a round table Q & A and not even mention their funds and will make it more about what the prospects/clients want to talk about, plus you get the dinner paid. Not all, but there are some. You just have to know your wholesalers.
Most of the American funds wholesalers want like 70% American Funds owners already and thats a bit retarded if your trying to get new business…
I used seminars almost exclusively for initial business building, and still do at least 1-2 per quarter. The key to converting seminar attendance to meaningful pixels when you click on your run is to have some specific, actionable need for which you are providing a unique, understandable solution or attractive alternative.
There are some really slick seminars already in the can from JNL, Hartford, American, etc., and your own homepage probably has a link to some generic, preapproved Powerpoint stuff you can use, but I have found through much experimentation that the ones which are “Where Do We Go From Here?” types of seminars don’t generate a fraction of the business that an “Investing for Income in a Low Interest Rate Environment” or “Managing Your Retirement Plan Rollover” will do. The generic ones attract plate-lickers, while you’ve already pretty much pre-qualified each person who walks through the door to come to a meeting with a specific, focused topic.
There is value in the shareholder meetings, and I have, and will continue, to utilize the assets available to me through my Pioneer, American, Federated, Jackson, Alliance Bern., etc. wholesalers. However, for new business development, you’ve got to pick a topic and become That Guy about it, and get a roomful of baby duck prospects to imprint upon you as the Poppa or Momma Duck, not the wholesaler.
Good stuff all, thanks!
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Wind, if you don’t want it to be all about you like you just posted in another thread, why are you posting, “I’m referring to” , “I do business with”, “i’ve dealth with alot”, “know more than me”, and “I don’t give a”?
Take some time. Read your posts. Most of them are screaming, "Look at me!" If that's what you want, you are succeeding. If you are not trying to make it about you, you are failing miserably and need to make changes..
I’m referring to the ones I do business with and i’ve dealt with alot of em believe it or not…
What color is the sky your world, wind?
Since you’ve been in the business 4 months, it’s just ridiculous to claim you have “dealt with a lot of em,” except in your own imagination. But no doubt you’re a legend in your own mind.
[quote=wind3574]…I don’t give a sht…Oh…and shut the f** up…[/quote]
Smart tactic. When you don’t know squat what else can you do but resort to such clever retorts as swearing and blustering.
You’re nothing but a silly little boy who likes to dress up and pretend to be a FA. That may work with those who don’t know better, but here it’s just laughable.
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What is really unbelievable is people are trusting this stroke with their hard earned money.
What is really unbelievable is people are trusting this stroke with their hard earned money.
Relatives aren’t very discerning with their money sometimes.
Wind, when someone tells me that they don't care what someone else thinks or says about them, I believe them. When this same person says it twice, the doubt starts. When this same person feels compelled to defend themselves against every criticism while constantly saying that the criticism doesn't bother them, the truth becomes known to all.
He knows a lot about mutual funds because he talked to wholesalers. He also proved his performance to another member of this forum. Cut the guy some slack.
So anyway … before the Windy pile on any other suggestions?
BTW: This is a rookie forum, windy is a bit pompous for my taste but his opinion as a rookie exceeding goals I think is very relevant.
Yeah, he carries around an ICA mountain chart like every other Jones trainee (me included when I was there), BFD !
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this is a cool thread. But it sounds to me like someones passing wind!
Sorry guys, i couldnt resist. Call me immature
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Do tell. Not sure I follow you on this one.
B24 - I believe he is a Seg 0 -2 or something. Jones (correct me if I’m mistaken) reimburses 75% of the costs of the seminar. That includes marketing costs. The way we did it was that we were already sending out mailings. We included the invite in with a normal mailing. The postage is reimbursable as well. You send out two things, one that says you are doing the seminar the other that has an “investment idea”. Either way, when you make the call, you’ll have somewhere to go if they are not coming to the seminar.
Also, sometimes Jones will reimburse 100% of seminars (once again, correct me if I’m wrong), so you can make a little.
Wholesaler pays for a portion. Also, wholesalers can pay whatever amount they want. I always made sure that I gave them the amount that would cost me the least.
When you hit Seg 3 it’s a little harder, but doable.
I get you now. Yeah, the one drawback from moving past segment 2! One of the processes the implemented (not sure when) is that Jones reimburses us for the wholesaler reimbursement, as to avoid be “over” reimbursed. So there’s not much way around it. But usually with the Jones 50% reimbursement, plus the wholesaler, my seminars don’t cost that much (for a $750 dinner, I would end up with about $75 out of pocket, depending ont he wholesaler). Problem in my area, is that there are only high-end restaurants above the “Applebees”-level place, not much in-betweeen. So I usually have to pay quite a bit for dinner. But we have some nice hotels that I can use outside catering, and just have scaled-down hors d’ouvres or something. I actually find that if people are interested, you don’t need much in the way of food.
My client dinners are usually a bit nicer, with a wholesaler telling a good story and buying a nice dinner.
[quote=anonymous]Wind, if you don’t want it to be all about you like you just posted in another thread, why are you posting, “I’m referring to” , “I do business with”, “i’ve dealth with alot”, “know more than me”, and “I don’t give a”?
Take some time. Read your posts. Most of them are screaming, "Look at me!" If that's what you want, you are succeeding. If you are not trying to make it about you, you are failing miserably and need to make changes. [/quote] You are being unfair with Wind. First, If you look at the post right in front of his Morean starts out his post with "I'll talk about what failed". You didn't jump all over him and tell him he's talking to much about himself. Volt asked for personal experiences. Wind gave a couple of good ideas, that were factually accurate, and talked about them in first person. The fact that he's new has nothing to do with his experiences. Maybe he's done some seminars. If he's smart he has. Maybe he can share some of that experience with a guy, Volt, who obviously hasn't done one. One new guy giving another new guy ideas. That's the way it works in this business."I'm referring to the ones I do business with and i've dealt with alot of em believe it or not....They are like hawks if you put in big tickets with them............do me a favor and spare us the 27 page thread argument over whether or not you know more than me....I don't give a sh*t......Oh....and shut the f*** up..."
This sure sounds like a post screaming for attention and not one trying to be helpful. We all talk about ourselves. It is the best way to share our collective experience. The question is whether someone is sharing to be helpful or is sharing to say "look at me". Wind is getting the negative reaction because he appears to fit the second category. It's either intentional or unintentional. If it's intentional, our feelings about him are correct. If it is unintentional, it will be important for him to gain the skills to learn to get across what he is trying to get across.#1. You can call the Attorney Generals office and have someone come give a speech on Fraud or something similar and it's free.
#2. Someone from the Social Security Administration come talk for free....
I was told that the other day, and the guys a Million Dollar Producer...Says he does both every year. It's free, easy, and people really wanna hear what they have to say...rather than the guy from American Funds.....or whoever... " then - "I will give a few wholesalers the benefit of the doubt. There are a few, who will do more of a round table Q & A and not even mention their funds and will make it more about what the prospects/clients want to talk about, plus you get the dinner paid. Not all, but there are some. You just have to know your wholesalers.
Most of the American funds wholesalers want like 70% American Funds owners already and thats a bit retarded if your trying to get new business.... " NONE of that is him boasting about anything. NONE of it is him screaming for attention. I took it as someone who has some knowledge willing to share it with someone else. It wasn't until Johnny made his post calling Wind retarded that we got to where you start. At that point he does get defensive. This thread wouldn't have turned ugly if the two of you would have kept your traps shut. Wind could certainly help his own cause if he would just ignore you guys and give his opinions knowing that he's going to catch some grief for it. Some of the best ideas I've been given were from guys who were just a few months to a year ahead of me in the biz. Espeically when I was new. He's obviously doing something right. Maybe I should call him and find out what it is.
Now, back to the original poster’s question.
Certainly leverage a wholesaler for the marketing money they have to spend. Most of them will kick in up to half of the cost of the meal. My Hartford guy picked up the whole bill the last time we did one together. I use the wholesalers for market updates and economy discussions. I focus my topic on the general planning, asset allocation, or income generating ideas that I can help with. I want my clients to view me as the expert on those things, not as an economist. I've done 6 seminars in the last 5 months. Average attendance of about 15 with only 200 invitations sent out per seminar. I think right now people are willing to listen to just about anything. They want to hear someone say something intelligent (which makes me wonder why they come to my seminars). So whether it's tax free bond investing or, my best one so far, women and investing they just want to talk with someone. I'm going to disagree with Morean (mostly because he hasn't got any idea what seminars are available at Jones right now) on the Jones canned seminars. They are quality stuff. I like the New Opportunities one. I've done that one a couple of times with great responses from the attendees. It's general in nature and you can give it pretty much anywhere. The Roll It, Take It, Leave It one is a good one also. Let's you target market to your IRA rollover prospects and clients. You can get them in PDF format, slides, or just printouts. There are marketing pieces for all of them, invitations on the system, and guidelines for your BOA to follow. It's really easy for you and her to work through the process. I love working with widows and single/divorced women. They're generally more open to ideas and they know how to take action. They don't spend as much time as their male counterparts over analyzing things. I recently did a women's only event and invited my best clients and their friends. Women are more apt to bring someone with them than men are. It's the whole group bathroom thing. I don't get it, but then I'm a guy. Jones has a good seminar called A Woman's Guide to Money Matters. Not to techinical, but they sit there the whole time nodding their heads and participating. I highly recommend something like that. Also, don't be afraid to partner with another professional in town. I've done them before with a chiropractor, attorney, motorcycle dealership owner, and I'm working on one with a sporting goods/hunting equipment dealer in town. Get creative.Be careful about partnering with another business in town. I did a joint seminar on international investing and had a travel agent speak. I thought we could introduce each other to our clients. The travel agent brought no one and skipped out on her part of the seminar dinner bill.
S’ Spiff:
Average attendance of ~15 with only 200 invitations sent out ?
Can you elaborate ? Most of the feedback I hear regarding seminars is that it takes a lot of invites to get to people that will actually attend.
Thank you !
Spaceman Spiff:
Wow that is a 7.5% response rate. I would love to know how you do that. please give us the details.
Jack BlackWe send the invites out a couple of weeks ahead of time to prospects and clients. My BOA then calls everyone and makes sure they got the invitation, if they will be attending, and if they will be bringing a guest. I've done them before where she didn't call and we had 4 people call to RSVP. I'm not doing one for four people. So, my only conclusion is that it's the phone call by her that makes the difference. She has this knack of getting through to prospects I haven't been able to catch in a year or more. It's kind of annoying. Sometimes even if they can't come they'll tell us to make sure to send them info on the ones we have in the future. We've even scheduled an appt or two from those phone calls.
I found out after one of them that she only sent out 75 invitations. We had 12 at that one. She does call again the day before to make sure people remember that they've signed up to come. It's a bit of a guilt trip, but we make them tell us what dinner they'd like to eat. Often we have people back out the day before, but usually only one or two. If they know what they're going to eat they're more likely to show up. We've also told people before that I'm paying for 20 people whether they show up or not, so they might as well come and get the free food.[quote=Spaceman Spiff]
And I get blamed for spinning things. Holy cow, nothing like leaving out the beginning of the conversation to prove your point. OK, let's look at his post. The original one. "I got a great idea from someone the other day, especially for the newer rep trying to create some sort of "legitimacy" with prospects.#1. You can call the Attorney Generals office and have someone come give a speech on Fraud or something similar and it's free.
#2. Someone from the Social Security Administration come talk for free....
I was told that the other day, and the guys a Million Dollar Producer...Says he does both every year. It's free, easy, and people really wanna hear what they have to say...rather than the guy from American Funds.....or whoever... " then - "I will give a few wholesalers the benefit of the doubt. There are a few, who will do more of a round table Q & A and not even mention their funds and will make it more about what the prospects/clients want to talk about, plus you get the dinner paid. Not all, but there are some. You just have to know your wholesalers.
Most of the American funds wholesalers want like 70% American Funds owners already and thats a bit retarded if your trying to get new business.... " NONE of that is him boasting about anything. NONE of it is him screaming for attention. I took it as someone who has some knowledge willing to share it with someone else. It wasn't until Johnny made his post calling Wind retarded that we got to where you start. At that point he does get defensive. This thread wouldn't have turned ugly if the two of you would have kept your traps shut. Wind could certainly help his own cause if he would just ignore you guys and give his opinions knowing that he's going to catch some grief for it. Some of the best ideas I've been given were from guys who were just a few months to a year ahead of me in the biz. Espeically when I was new. He's obviously doing something right. Maybe I should call him and find out what it is. [/quote] Spiff, there's no problem with his original post, thus there was no comment about it. In fact, it was refreshing to see him try to be helpful and not worrying about himself. The issue is that ultimately Wind makes everything about Wind.
[quote=JackBlack] Spaceman Spiff:
<P =Msonormal style=“MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt”>Wow that is a 7.5% response rate. I would love to know how you do that. please give us the details.
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As far as your invite goes or you using a traditional form letter or something else?
Also are you only inviting clients?
The most amazing thing about this to me is not that a rank rookie like wind wants to pretend after a few months that he knows everything. We’ve all seen that silly act over and over again, and I’m sure we’ll see many more like him in the future.
What surprises me, spiff, is that you would allow this character to draw you into the position of defending or vouching for him. Because let’s face it: even if he has accomplished exactly what he claims in his few short months, it still amounts to squat.
So what if he looks good relative to his peer group? We all know that about 90% of any new new group washes out in the first few years, so while much better than failing, starting reasonably well in the first few months is hardly the noteworthy accomplishment he thinks it to be. I’d hate to try and support myself (much less my family) on that supposedly impressive production absent the salary paid to help rookies survive. But then I don’t live in my parent’s basement either.
I would think the greatest favor you could do this lad, spiff, is to try and help him wake up and see how silly he is being. Worst case scenario he will have plenty of time later to gloat and share his secrets of success - ideally after he has achieved some real success for some period of time measured in something other than weeks or months. He may squirm now, but he would probably thank you profusely in the long run once he finally matures enough to realize how silly he has been.
<span id=“userPro142814” =“showDropDown’userPro142814’, ‘proMenu142814’, 160, 0;” =“msgSidePro” title=“View Drop Down”>anonymous care to share what’s worked for you? Any suggestions?
Sorry, but I'm the wrong guy on this subject. I've only done one. My invites were sent out via e-mail. The subject was very specific. 20 buying units showed up over two evenings. 12 became clients. My total cost was about $100. My profit was probably close to $20,000. The stars and the moons were properly alligned and it made sense for me to do a seminar. There were reasons for this success and it wasn't because of any great speaking or sale's skills. However, in general, the point of a seminar is to get people to agree to a 1 on 1 meeting. Therefore, it often (usually?) makes sense to me to skip the seminar and go directly for the meeting. Sorry that I can't give much help on this one.<SPAN id=userPro142814 title=“View Drop Down” =“showDropDown’userPro142814’, ‘proMenu142814’, 160, 0;”>anonymous care to share what’s worked for you? Any suggestions?
[quote=chief123] [quote=JackBlack] Spaceman Spiff:
Wow that is a 7.5% response rate. I would love to know how you do that. please give us the details.
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As far as your invite goes or you using a traditional form letter or something else?
Also are you only inviting clients?[/quote] I send them to anyone I think might be interested. That includes clients and prospects. I have some clients who would come to everything I do, but they never bring anyone with them. So, some of them only get invites once a quarter or so. Prospects get an invite to everything. You never know what it going to trip someone's trigger. Especially these days. The invitations are standard Jones issue. We have a relationship with Hallmark that we can get custom printed invitations for $.52 a piece. They're nice Hallmark cards. I think we can get them in either folded or just flat. I'm not really sure because I let her make those decisions. I don't think we do anything special, other than the follow up phone calls. And if we were sending out 2000 invitations I wouldn't expect my BOA to call all of those people. I did hear something interesting the other day that I thought was worth mentioning. I'll let you know I haven't tried it yet, so I don't know how well it works. One of my wholesalers said that there is a Jones guy in the area that only sends invitations to 5 clients. The thing is, he sends 5 extra invitations to that client. Then he follows up and says that he sent some extras so that the client can invite their friends and that they are one of a few people who received those invitations. He said that the guy typically has 20 people at each of his seminars. Not a bad ROI. Kind of a twist on the white glove dinner type of thing.
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Spiff, there's no problem with his original post, thus there was no comment about it. In fact, it was refreshing to see him try to be helpful and not worrying about himself. The issue is that ultimately Wind makes everything about Wind. [/quote] I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that if nobody would have attacked him, he would have just let his comments stand on their own. He made one comment that was very helpful, then got a negative comment by Jaxson. Then he made another comment where I will admit he did use the pronoun "I", but only once and he didn't say anything about money or accounts. And then JRB chimes in with some negative remarks. Only after being made fun of twice does he get defensive. And I would say, rightfully so. So, in this post, I used the pronoun "I" three different times. So, does that mean I'm (that's four) making it all about me? Hardly.What suprises me, Morph, is that someone making money, transferring accounts, etc amounts to squat. Even if he ends up being a flash in the pan, which I'm going to guess he's not, don't you think that he's got something working for him? Wouldn't it be nice to hear what it is? Instead you folks just discount anything he has to say because he's new. I think that's short sighted. I don't need to learn everything from people who are out longer than me. Sometimes I can learn things from the new folks. If he comes out with another post bragging about how much he's grossed or something blatant like that, then absolutely, pile on. But if he's just trying to give some advice (albeit from a new guy), then let the man talk without you guys twisting everything he says to make it sound like he's only talking about himself.
What surprises me, spiff, is that you would allow this character to draw you into the position of defending or vouching for him. Because let’s face it: even if he has accomplished exactly what he claims in his few short months, it still amounts to squat.
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Spiff, there's no problem with his original post, thus there was no comment about it. In fact, it was refreshing to see him try to be helpful and not worrying about himself. The issue is that ultimately Wind makes everything about Wind. [/quote] I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that if nobody would have attacked him, he would have just let his comments stand on their own. He made one comment that was very helpful, then got a negative comment by Jaxson. Then he made another comment where I will admit he did use the pronoun "I", but only once and he didn't say anything about money or accounts. And then JRB chimes in with some negative remarks. Only after being made fun of twice does he get defensive. And I would say, rightfully so. So, in this post, I used the pronoun "I" three different times. So, does that mean I'm (that's four) making it all about me? Hardly. [/quote] Spiff, He, and you, sound "retarded" when you continually use the word use the word "retarded". Sorry, I'll not chime in with any negative remarks anymore - seeing as how you're always so positive and all. Sheesh, you sound like you're in love with this guy.Not in love with him, just willing to stand up for someone I think is getting mistreated.
You're entitled to your negative remarks. That's the country we live in. But don't get on your high horse when he gets defensive after getting knocked down twice. As for the "retarded" comment...that's about as close to cussing as I get. I've also been known to use the word "idiot" a lot. Perhaps when I think you might read my posts I'll try to use a synonym for "retarded" instead. Maybe something like dim-witted, birdbrained, gorked, or touched in the head. Just to liven things up. I'll PM wind and encourage him to do the same.Spiff,
He's made his bed and now he has to lay in it. He had numerous chances and was given advice to lighten up and he just kept going. So now when he posts, even if he doesn't say anything about himself it's going to go negative. It's unfortuante but he brought most of this on himself.In this thread, Spiff, Wind brought it on himself. Do we really expect that a Newbie is going to talk about what MOST American Fund wholesalers do without getting called out for it? Any Newbie would have been challenged on his comment.
He rightfully got called out for what he said. He then had two reasonable choices. He could have been honest and admitted that it was based upon his experience with a few AF wholesalers or he could have ignored the comment. Instead, he chose to go on the attack. When he goes on the attack, the thread immediately becomes about him as much as it does about the subject at hand. As long as he keeps doing this, the situation won't change. It's fine. He's fun for the board and it fills his need for attention.Yeah, OK. Whatever.
I guess then that I'll refrain from making any comments at all about any wholesalers period. Because I've not met "most" of them. You know what it means to get defensive? It means that you're reacting to being attacked. Had he put a preemptive (that means before anyone else could say anything) comment in there like back on page one, then I would agree with you. However, since he was already being attacked and made fun of, I am going to say your arguement is full of holes. And I agree with him that arguing with you guys on the internet is "gorky."The problem is the body of work. Jim Cramer says some insightful things sometimes too, unfortunately it is between his defense of Bear Stearns and Wachovia. He could say something everyone agrees with and financial professionals will still roll their eyes.
Though wind made a fair (and arguably helpful) comment, he is still seems to me (and most) to be a classless know-it-all. And I'll bite...what is "gorky" and where was it said (I checked through the thread and didn't see it)?Spiff, he wasn’t really being attacked. He was fairly, but not kindly, called on the fact that at his stage of the game, he doesn’t have the experience to know if he was posting accurate information.
"How many American Funds wholesalers constitutes "most"? You sound "retarded" when you make generalizations such as this. In four months of production, you haven't had time to meet more than a "few wholesalers" to give the benefit of the doubt. " We all need a thicker skin and have to be able to look at the message an not just the words. "Retarded" wasn't a nice comment, but the point that he doesn't sound very smart when he makes those types of posts holds water.That response, at least to me, didn't come across as him being fairly called out. To me it sounded more smart aleck and condescending.
This discussion is going nowhere. I believe they call it an impass. I think wind was justified in retorting the way he did. You obviously don't. That seems to be our history. So be it. As for the "gorky" post - should have used "gorked". Look at my post back to JRP and the use of the word retarded. Oh yeah, if you want to see who turned this thing with wind into the debacle it is, do an advanced search for his posts and go back to the Jones Stories...for the JONES thread back in March. I started defending this guy back then, just like I am now. The accusations (which have been proven false) that he was a liar started after his second or third post on the forum. And you guys haven't let up since.If I may ask, what was the very specific subject ? Did you send out an email to everyone in your database or did you pre screen for probable interest ? You mentioned that there were reasons for the success of your event- can you elaborate ?
Thank you !
[quote=Spaceman Spiff]Oh yeah, if you want to see who turned this thing with wind into the debacle it is, do an advanced search for his posts and go back to the Jones Stories…for the JONES thread back in March. I started defending this guy back then, just like I am now. The accusations (which have been proven false) that he was a liar started after his second or third post on the forum. And you guys haven’t let up since. [/quote]
I must have missed the thread you are referring to, spiff, and don’t have the time or interest to go searching through old Jones threads to catch up on what transpired. All I can surmise is if he keeps prompting these sorts of responses and objections from various people, maybe - just maybe - it has something to do with what he’s saying and how he’s saying it. Stranger things have happened. Or maybe it’s just another vast right wing conspiracy!
Good luck, my friend. I think you’re going to be very busy cleaning up after this lad for some time to come, but that’s your prerogative. I just think you deserve better!
Spiff who gives a flying crap what his numbers are at this point? Who cares if you researched the facts and found them to be true ? He is going about things the wrong way and being a complete tool. Do me a favor and look at the list of NBA Rookies of the Year or any sport for that matter in the last 20 years.You will find plenty of fellows who started hot and bombed out. The overwhelming majority of those who fell off the map after a stellar start failed because they feel they have climbed the mountain, they have the answers, and they don't have to do the things needed to last. His arrogance and ignorance proves that he is on the same path.
Spiff, take a look. Not once did I ever question his production.
Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
[quote=voltmoie]Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
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Maybe if you whine a bit more people will be even more motivated to only talk about stuff that you are interested in.
Just saying.
No problem. Happy to help. Anon, et al - This thread is dim-witted. I'm done. Let's agree to disagree and walk away friends.Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
It ain’t over til it’s over. YB
Come on Spiff, keep it up. The forum has been pretty lame lately. Where’s Wind 8675309, when you need him. Windy and your defense of windy has been the only interesting thing as of late. I agree wtih volt that it’s pretty f’n lame but at least it gives me a reason to come look at the forum.
We could always welcome back Bi-Sexual.
I agree. This thread has been the only thing that has kept my interest recently.
I guess I could start another thread about how great I am and how EDJ is the best company on the planet. Man, how boring would that be? What we really need is a good new EDJ conspiracy theory to pop up. Something like Jim Weddle is secretly a member of Skull and Bones or something cool like that.Most of the EDJ conspiracy theories lately have been kind of lame (Could this be the end of EDJ? EDJ in the news for a lawsuit!).
I still think the spying on brokers is a valid one, but you guys shot all kinds of holes in that one.
Here is one for you - Wind is Jim Weddle in disquise.
That would be a good thread! Let's get some good Weddle rumors going.Most of the EDJ conspiracy theories lately have been kind of lame (Could this be the end of EDJ? EDJ in the news for a lawsuit!).
I still think the spying on brokers is a valid one, but you guys shot all kinds of holes in that one.
Here is one for you - Wind is Jim Weddle in disquise.
That would be a good thread! Let's get some good Weddle rumors going.[/quote] Don't disquise him too hard, or you might be disquieted with what discharge disquirts out.[quote=Moraen]Most of the EDJ conspiracy theories lately have been kind of lame (Could this be the end of EDJ? EDJ in the news for a lawsuit!).
I still think the spying on brokers is a valid one, but you guys shot all kinds of holes in that one.
Here is one for you - Wind is Jim Weddle in disquise.
[quote=Spaceman Spiff]Yeah, OK. Whatever.
I guess then that I'll refrain from making any comments at all about any wholesalers period. Because I've not met "most" of them. You know what it means to get defensive? It means that you're reacting to being attacked. Had he put a preemptive (that means before anyone else could say anything) comment in there like back on page one, then I would agree with you. However, since he was already being attacked and made fun of, I am going to say your arguement is full of holes. And I agree with him that arguing with you guys on the internet is "gorky."[/quote] SS, I wouldn't suggest that you cannot make ANY comments about wholesalers because you haven't met "most" of them. I'd argue you cannot comment about MOST of them if you haven't met "most" of them. I have to tell you, it's not what you say that matters most, it's how you say it. Rookies should understand that in sales, words mean things. When he said "Most Amfds wholesalers, blah, blah, blah, retarded (his word, not mine - I've been trying to illustrate for you and him just how crude the use of that word is - and I'm no prude) blah, blah, blah.", he came across to me like someone who lacks confidence in his abilities. I've found people that communicate in the manner ( the narcissitic look at me, aren't I great?) this rookie does I've found to have a genuine lack of confidence. Here's why it matters Spiff - propsects sense it. Now, he may or may not be knocking the cover off the ball. If he is, God bless ya. My sense is these folks just don't last long in the industry.See I think he is self-confident, to the extreme. I believe he will be extremely successful in this career. I see him as a do-what-ever-it-takes type of guy. You are correct in that it might be that confidence that is an overcompensation for a lack of confidence. You and I will never know though.
jkl- I had to read that post about 6 times before I caught everything, but I think I know what you mean. Possibly.
JRB - I think that his prospects sense that he is working hard, self-confident, and a person who can be trusted with their savings in this difficult time. We have a couple of guys in our region that are just plain pricks. I'd name names, but then they'd probably come over and beat me up. But those guys are very successful. I don't know that he falls in that category, but something in that self-confidence seems to work. I don't think it matters if he's met one or five American Funds wholesalers. What he said was accurate. What is the criteria for eligiblity for commenting on American Funds wholesalers? Does he have to meet two and have three years of service? Or can he meet one, but have 7 years under his belt? What if, by some strange happenstance, his region has had for American Funds wholesalers in his short tenure and they all told him the same thing? I get the fact that you don't like the "r" word for some reason. I don't like to see cuss words. But I don't discount someone's comments based solely on their grammar. Unless it's spears using all those .......... when three is the appropriate number. But then I discount his comments for a lot of other reasons too. See what you guys did. Dragged me right back into this thing. How am I supposed to make any money if you guys keep dragging me back here?[quote=Morphius]
[quote=voltmoie]Seriously, you guys are pretty freaking lame having a three page debate about Windy…
JUST SAYING!
Oh, and thanks for the feedback on the seminars.
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Maybe if you whine a bit more people will be even more motivated to only talk about stuff that you are interested in.
Just saying.
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“Windy, you suck” “Windy, you rock” “Windy has something to offer” - Well, I just summed it up in one line.
People where already kind enough to share their feedback so no motivation needed - just pointing out 4 pages of windy bashing / protection is a bit lame. Unless you think that’s cool … if so, knock yourself out but the guy deserves a break and I think those that can’t let it go and allow him to be him in a ROOKIE forum are pretty much a-holes in my book. Just saying…
No Way! I looked him up on Joneslink Directory. He looks exactly how I pictured him!Most of the EDJ conspiracy theories lately have been kind of lame (Could this be the end of EDJ? EDJ in the news for a lawsuit!).
I still think the spying on brokers is a valid one, but you guys shot all kinds of holes in that one.
Here is one for you - Wind is Jim Weddle in disquise.
LMAO!!A bit off the subject…
Yesterday I let a high school student “interview” me…he told me during our conversation that his older brother just started with EDJ. He got his 7 in Feb., and is now in production (in the next town over from me).
This kid started to tell me about how his brother told him that “American Funds is like the best mutual fund company out there, and they have some funds like “Investment Company Something” and “Capital Income Something” that are the best and second best funds in history.”
Then he told me how “Edward Jones is more selective than Harvard…they even have a guy out in South Dakota that makes like $4 million a year!”
Oh my god, this conversation was the EPITOME of every EDJ stereotype on this board. It was hilarious.
I don't think anyone cares how many wholesalers he's met. They commented on the fact that he said: "Most of the American funds wholesalers want like 70% American Funds owners already and thats a bit retarded if your trying to get new business" A more accurate way of putting it would have been "Most of the American Funds wholesalers I've met blah, blah, blah". With the fund families I use, there is no reason for me to know more than 2 of them (Internal and External). Unless of course one gets fired and replaced with another, which has happened at warp speed the past year. I just see no reason why someone would need to bounce ideas off of several wholesalers of the same company. That time would be better spent talking to a wholesaler at a different firm that offers good muni bond funds or something. I'm not trying to split hairs, I'm just telling you why people are commenting on his alleged knowledge of what most wholesalers want, when its more likely he just meant the ones he's actually talked to.I don’t think it matters if he’s met one or five American Funds wholesalers. What he said was accurate. What is the criteria for eligiblity for commenting on American Funds wholesalers? Does he have to meet two and have three years of service? Or can he meet one, but have 7 years under his belt? What if, by some strange happenstance, his region has had for American Funds wholesalers in his short tenure and they all told him the same thing?
I think that people are commenting because it’s wind. Period. I think had anyone else said what he did we wouldn’t be having this three or four page discussion.
ice - What did he say that was factually inaccurate?I’ll agree that people are commenting because it’s wind. Just for the record I didn’t find much wrong with his initial statement. Like I said before he made his own bed. He’ll have to put up with this as long as he posts under Wind.
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Unreal
wow.
wow. Jim Weddel, wow.wind - just a thought. You don’t need to defend yourself, so stop. However, if you ever want to be taken even a bit seriously on this forum it would be in your best interest to start a new screen name. Again, just a thought.
Someone’s goin’ Postal.
Wind, you might just want to go join another forum. You just lost Spiff's support. At this point, you could post a comment about how cute your dog is, and you will still get bashed. Honestly, your posts show a complete lack of maturity. Everyone else is just having fun at your expense. I'm happy for you that you're doing well. But just let it go.4 months is not a long time. But when your overly successful
Now, after 4 months, he’s “overly successful!”
Overly successful!
Speaking of seminars, I hosted one recently and was struck by the level of anger and hostility toward the entire investment community, Wall Street and political structure. We had a pretty lively Q&A and even some of the sweet old ladies are suspicious, scared, confused. I mean, I knew that attitude was out there, but to see it in a group setting was startling.
I don't think anyone cares how many wholesalers he's met. They commented on the fact that he said: "Most of the American funds wholesalers want like 70% American Funds owners already and thats a bit retarded if your trying to get new business" A more accurate way of putting it would have been "Most of the American Funds wholesalers I've met blah, blah, blah". With the fund families I use, there is no reason for me to know more than 2 of them (Internal and External). Unless of course one gets fired and replaced with another, which has happened at warp speed the past year. I just see no reason why someone would need to bounce ideas off of several wholesalers of the same company. That time would be better spent talking to a wholesaler at a different firm that offers good muni bond funds or something. I'm not trying to split hairs, I'm just telling you why people are commenting on his alleged knowledge of what most wholesalers want, when its more likely he just meant the ones he's actually talked to.[/quote] You obviously do not read every post and pick and chose words and phrases that you want people to see, so that you can make yourself look smart....but let me referr you to ooooooh my 3rd or 4th post... "I'm referring to the ones I do business with " There ya go. I did the reading for you. Spiff thanks alot. I could really care less what these dudes say about me anymore. I have no reason to defend myself. I've shown you my numbers so they would shut up and they have tripled since then. I work hard and with the success I have received, have learned alot more than the average joe broker because of the amount of accounts/money/trades I have dealt with. 4 months is not a long time. But when your overly successful and have dealt with wholesalers from many different fund familes, (which by the way, American funds in my region alone has 1 major wholsaler, the internal, and 1 wholsaler for each segment, so all these dumb comments about me saying most are idiotic). I don't know EVERYTHING, but obviously i am doing something right, or I wouldnt be getting attention from Jim Weddle and the GP's at PDP which is where I am right now, considering i haven't posted. You guys honestly need to grow up. I posted a very what I thought, informative post and again got bashed. I made no grave to lay in. I said a few things, that everyone called me a liar on, I proved them and now its time to shut up about it. Find someone else to spend your days worrying about. Actually, I could use some advertising checks from RR.com for bringing the ratings up.....[/quote] OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you saying to people to make them move their accounts to you so quickly? What investments do you then recommend to them?[quote=3rdyrp2][quote=Spaceman Spiff] I don’t think it matters if he’s met one or five American Funds wholesalers. What he said was accurate. What is the criteria for eligiblity for commenting on American Funds wholesalers? Does he have to meet two and have three years of service? Or can he meet one, but have 7 years under his belt? What if, by some strange happenstance, his region has had for American Funds wholesalers in his short tenure and they all told him the same thing?
Lively bunch this morning.
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Wind, you’re like the drunk guy at a bar that just WON’T SHUT UP. You end up saying the wrong thing to the wrong guy’s girlfriend, and then get your a$$ beat. Do you actually re-read your posts?
[quote=buyandhold] Speaking of seminars, I hosted one recently and was struck by the level of anger and hostility toward the entire investment community, Wall Street and political structure. We had a pretty lively Q&A and even some of the sweet old ladies are suspicious, scared, confused. I mean, I knew that attitude was out there, but to see it in a group setting was startling.
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I have seen similar results. I try to compare it to the insanity of the internet boom, and how people were buying stocks in companies that sold 100# bags of dog food. I make the point that this time the shoe was on the other foot.
You encounter very few braggarts at Jones and I imagine it’s the same at most places. I’ve know Seg. 5s who might have a 100k month and if you ask them how they’re doing, they’ll say ‘OK’ and change the subject. I’ve known trainees who have qualified for PDP and won’t tell you.
I would say that wind and weddle are the only true blowhards I’ve ever come across in this firm. No wonder weddle is reaching out to him.
Another thing that is disturbing about this guy is that we’re told a) it’s a RELATIONSHIP business and b) it’s a KNOWLEDGE business but here is this guy a) who nobody likes and b) doesn’t know anything about investing other than what you learn at Eval Grad (which is zilch) and he claims to be doing great business.
[quote=wind3574]Spiff thanks alot. I could really care less what these dudes say about me anymore. I have no reason to defend myself. I've shown you my numbers so they would shut up and they have tripled since then. I work hard and with the success I have received, have learned alot more than the average joe broker because of the amount of accounts/money/trades I have dealt with. 4 months is not a long time. But when your overly successful and have dealt with wholesalers from many different fund familes, (which by the way, American funds in my region alone has 1 major wholsaler, the internal, and 1 wholsaler for each segment, so all these dumb comments about me saying most are idiotic). I don't know EVERYTHING, but obviously i am doing something right, or I wouldnt be getting attention from Jim Weddle and the GP's at PDP which is where I am right now, considering i haven't posted. You guys honestly need to grow up. I posted a very what I thought, informative post and again got bashed. I made no grave to lay in. I said a few things, that everyone called me a liar on, I proved them and now its time to shut up about it. Find someone else to spend your days worrying about. Actually, I could use some advertising checks from RR.com for bringing the ratings up.....[/quote] [quote=wind3574]Maybe it's a southern thing, but people here don't want an advisor that talks over their head, talks analytically, and constantly talks investments. Most of the Clients and Prospects I have, want someone who can get things done with their investments, but most of all CARE ABOUT THEM. You don't talk about that fishing trip Joe just went on, that he'd been savin all year for, then he could give a sh*t about you. Just the way things are...... It's funny because the only reason I ever start defending myself, is when I get pricks like you who start running your mouth off about me...Some people like to hear the good news..and find it uplifting...I know thats how I operate..I like to hear someones doing great...it makes me motivated......But I' dont really care much anymore...Your at the same place as me Voltmoie.......but are you sittin at $30,000 gross in 3-4 months? $12,000 this month so far? 700% of standard maybe? NO!...low hanging fruit my ass.....I work hard...and I'm not about to mistake hard work for luck..like you.....and thats why you continue your crap with me....Just ignore the posts when I post for people....Maybe other people actually think I give good advice....or not...but there are some that might appreciate the help....So shut up... If I remember correctly, you were pmming me to call you and give you some pointers...hmmm.....[/quote] [quote=wind3574]Lets not forget studying for Insurance Exam, since my state takes forever. I don't care anymore what people say about me. Read the whole post. She got attacked for no reason, and I was just explaining it to her thats all. Funny thing is, It's all true! Any problems with that, I don't care. I spend a total of about 15-20 minutes throughout the day looking at this forum, although it may be a few different times, that in no way equates to all day. The rest of my day is on a strict schedule unless i am out of town. There is a difference in working hard and working smart..... The smarter you work, the less stress you have and well the more successful you are. I am not abrasive. Actually a really nice guy. It would be hard to be doing as well as I am and be a jerk...don't ya think? I just come here looking for more positive attitudes. I'm not about to switch names and this and that just to make you guys quit. When you are tired of arguing amongts yourself, you will. I'm just here to share ideas and stuff. Like I said I am not replying to anymore of those hateful posts, so lets keep em that way and use this site for what its for. I might learn alot from you guys and vice versa.[/quote] [quote=wind3574]I'm getting accounts because I care about the people and talk to them. Regardless of whether or not you beleive me, I don't care. I am just trying to be encouraging and my numbers are 100% correct. I know this market is tough, but if you get out and talk to people, point out where they could be better off...It's not that hard to bring in accounts in a market like this. The hard part is keeping accounts after being in the business for quite some time. It's easy for a nice looking, very personable, small town boy, who graduated from a local Big 12 college to come in and swoop accounts out from under an advisor with $100M book, who hardly calls them and charges them a wrap fee..... I thank the Jones guys for trying not bash my statements. Just because you other guys didn't learn the processes before your can sell and you can't bring that in within 2 months , doesn't mean I can't. I wish I could just post my numbers from Joneslink, to make you look like idiots for arguing in 3 pages, instead of encouraging people who might be having a rough time.[/quote] [quote=wind3574]This is the kind of negative postings that I am talking about. There are always a bunch of people who take someone elses success and say its bs. You guys don't have to believe me, I am the one who's dealing with it everyday. I am just trying to tell the guy who posted this, that there are success stories out there. Regardless of the negative crap that is posted by most of you non-jones guys who jump firm to firm. Do your little calculations and try and figure out my numbers, I don't care. Bottom line is my can sell was the beginning of the year and I am sitting at $2M in assets. I have grossed $20,000 since then. Just because it's transfered over, doesn't mean you get paid on it. If your such a veteran, you would know that. I just love the "Its not possible" attitude that is in your posts. Thats EXACTLY how you encourage people to do well. I don't follow the Jones script. I found that difficult in the beginning, so I just kind of made it my own and it has been really successful for me. Regardless of what you think, facts are thats were I am......Last week I pulled in a $1M account thats not even added to the $2M in assets yet, so my third month alone could very well be a $20,000 gross by itself with all the other things I have working. [/quote] Man, for someone who claims to not feel the need to defend himself or care what other posters think about him...…I don’t have to defend myself…I’ve already proved my performance to Spiff…everyone knows…if you perform well, the wholesalers come crawlin…and nevermind that I called quite a few just after eval/grad to meet with, so i could get to know them and their funds (and not just preferred funds)…You don’t know me dude or what I do…Morphius…Kindly refer to the post as well and spend your time trying to criticize someone else, who honestly gives a f***…Otherwise, you’ll just keep wasting your time…
I think i’ll repost a quote I posted awhile back…
“Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded”
Man, I almost feel bad for him now…
Weddle has no clue who windy is. He might have told him “great job, keep it up” because someone told him windy was doing well. Five seconds later he’s onto the next issue. Plenty of CEOs said similar crap to me. After I got a little experience under my belt and a nice title I was giving them the people to recognize just as my leaders had done before.
Windy, man you are a hot head. Drink a couple of beers this weekend.
[quote=B24]Someone’s goin’ Postal.
Wind, you might just want to go join another forum. You just lost Spiff's support. At this point, you could post a comment about how cute your dog is, and you will still get bashed. Honestly, your posts show a complete lack of maturity. Everyone else is just having fun at your expense. I'm happy for you that you're doing well. But just let it go.[/quote] He still has my support as a fellow EDJ FA. However, I believe I'm done going on the defensive for him. Wind, seriously, create another screen name. Don't talk about your performance. I don't know that I've ever posted what my numbers are or how much AUC I have. I think it's irrelevant. I'd lie about it anyway to make myself harder to track. Now, if this is just a distraction for you and you really enjoy the negative vibe, then by all means keep it going. But it's honestly getting old. Let the old wind die over the weekend and when you come back on Tuesday create a new name and start over.
Let the old wind die over the weekend and when you come back on Tuesday create a new name and start over. [/quote]
Might I suggest the name “allsortsofhumble”
Good advice, spiff, although he doesn’t really sound like the type of guy who is likely to accept good advice, being so overly successful and brilliant and all. He certainly is further proof of the old adage about advice: the wise don’t need it, and the foolish won’t heed it.
And unless he can reign in his ego and attitude, and … learn … grown up …… spaellling … n … punkshuashen … skills … it … won’t … do …him …much … good … anyway.
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Wind, you aren’t done. People who are done being defensive don’t put up a defensive post talking about how they are done being defensive.
When you have to take crap, just take one. You don't tell everybody. Nobody will be happy if you make a new name or not. We don't care. The suggestion was made because you have already been outed on this board so you aren't posting anonymously. There is no benefit to you in having people know who you are. Also, if you care about being treated seriously, it may not happen with your current name. The suggestion was to be helpful and not to make anyone happy. You need to realize that for the most part, even when we are being jerks, it is meant to be helpful. Sometimes, it is to be helpful to the poster and sometimes to other readers.You wish that were the case.
Unfortunately, we know everything we need to know about you - and more - simply from what you have so naively posted here.
For example, we know your production, we know your exact age, that you just graduated, that your got your degree in Psychology w/ minor in criminology, that you have an mba, how much you were paid at your last job, that this is your first commission job, and what city you live in. There's much more, of course, but I don't want to see a repeat of what already happened when we even learned your identity and location precisely because of your own appalling lack of judgment and discretion that led you to reveal far too much personal information.
We know nothing but how long you've been out?
We know how desperately you crave to be accepted as a successful FA among people here, even as you insist for the umpteenth time that you don't care and don't have to defend yourself. But then you continue to show how much you care by continuing to try and defend yourself.
Most importantly, we would know all we need to know about you simply by virute of the painful and repeated display of your immature and arrogant attitude that suffocates almost every word you write. Well, that plus the revelation that you are "overly successful."
And finally, we know you completely and utterly miss the fact that even if you "proved" your production nubers as you keep desperately trying to do, it changes nothing, because it's never been about your production - it's been about your attitude and arrogance. That's why even having Spiff 'vouch' for your numbers means nothing - because nothing he can say or do can alter that.
I could go on but what's the point? You're too busy defending yourself to hear what you need to hear.
All we know is how long you've been out?
All we know is you're a real piece of work, lad.
Here's another friendly piece of advice for you to ignore: when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!!
I have contributed my share to flaming Windy, however I think the most telling thing about this particular spat is that he is unwilling to listen to the only vet on this board willing to stand up for him. Windy, a piece of actual advice; you don’t have to win every argument. You don’t always have to respond to criticism. God gave you two ears and one mouth, act like it.
I feel like this is the show ‘SuperNanny’, where the parent continues to put the unruly child in the corner over and over again, just to have the kid jump up, stomp around, and kick the parent in the shin.
Yes, but if your a fan of the show (my wife loves it) you also know that while the kids are sometimes unruly or downright mean, the nanny often reprimands the parents because they aren’t playing nice either. Most often it’s a two way street.
Would you be considered the parent on this thread? I know no one else around here is claiming that guy as one of their own.Yes, but if your a fan of the show (my wife loves it) you also know that while the kids are sometimes unruly or downright mean, the nanny often reprimands the parents because they aren’t playing nice either. Most often it’s a two way street.
Spiff, seriously. How many posters have you seen act like Wind? I mean, this board has it's share of flakes, but half of them are just doing it to for their own amusement (trolls). Wind just can't seem to shut up about himself. It's like he doesn't even see what he's doing. He's like my 4 year-old when he throws a tantrum. I think you have kids, so you know what I'm talking about. You know, can't control themselves, hyper-ventilating, flailing. That's Wind. He's not an adult. Just because he's an employee of the same firm, doesn't mean he's not a flake. If he was at any other firm, you would be bashing him. I've seen you bash some of the people on this board for far lesser evils (not that Wind is evil - he's just immature). Not sure of your background, but you ever watch the new guy that comes into the office, thinking he is "all that", talking about how great he is, before he ever does sh!t? That's Wind. He's "That Guy". Bottom line - if Wind said "Hey, I did X production my first few months, how does that compare?" People would probably be giving him an "attaboy". And when people ask him how he's doing it, he says "just working hard, banging on doors, talking to lots of people". He needs to show a little humility.Yes, but if your a fan of the show (my wife loves it) you also know that while the kids are sometimes unruly or downright mean, the nanny often reprimands the parents because they aren’t playing nice either. Most often it’s a two way street.
“As the hero B24 inches ever further away from his Jones compatriots…”
Whatever happened to that thread! Man, that was awesome!“As the hero B24 inches ever further away from his Jones compatriots…”
You folks have fun with this thread. I’ve hit my production bogey for the day (before noon) and I’m starting my long weekend early. We’ll hit the do over button on Tuesday.
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B- is that 4 yr old a boy or a girl? I’ve got a 4 yr old girl. And man, can she throw some fits. I’m curious if it’s a girl thing or can a boy throw them too?I agree that he needs to back off on the production comments. And, by the look of his picture on Jonesnet, he’s still very young and will mature as he gets farther into the biz. Humility comes from wisdom, which unfortunately comes with price. He’s not been kicked around by this industry yet. It’ll happen soon enough.
However, this board has some copability in the way he acts. Before I posted this last round of defenses I went back to see exactly how this all started. What I found was that he posted how well he was doing in response to the thread where they were talking about production of new FAs at Jones. Then Morean calls him a liar. Now, I don’t know about you folks, but if someone just flat calls me a liar, I don’t like it very much. I might get defensive. With wind he seems to be aggressively defensive, but then he can’t post anything on here without getting some negative snipe back at him.
So, back to the super nanny analogy, this kid who is throwing a tantrum got pushed into his tantrum in no small part to an adult saying something mean to him. Does the kid need to learn how to control his temper? Yes. Does the parent need to spank the kid everytime he opens his mouth? Absolutely not. One is as bad as the other. [/quote]
Just so you remember - I apologized (on this forum) for calling him a liar. That doesn’t give him leave to act as if he needs a five alarm beat down.
Nah, I'm just not delusional enough to think everything anyone at Jones says is OK. Yes, I will ocassionally defend things at Jones (especially from those people that are uninformed or MISinformed), but I will also accept the counterpoints as well. I've got my reasons for being here, and until those reasons change.... Funny, the last company I worked for (totally different industry) was just like Jones in terms of culture. Everyone I worked with thought our sh!t didn't stink, and thought anyone that went to a competitor was nuts. BUT, it was a great company to work for (yes, on the F500 Best Companies list also), and I often miss working there for that reason alone. Most people stayed, even though they could probably make more money elsewhere. Turnover was among the lowest in the industry. But lets not make this thread about this...“As the hero B24 inches ever further away from his Jones compatriots…”
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B- is that 4 yr old a boy or a girl? I've got a 4 yr old girl. And man, can she throw some fits. I'm curious if it's a girl thing or can a boy throw them too? [/quote] I've got one of each. And yes, they can both throw fits. Girls can just be more whiny, annoying and pretentious. Funny, I don't think that ever changes with age.....(all you single guys will find out some day).Source URL:https://www.wealthmanagement.com/forums/rookies-trainees/seminar