Sarah Palin ... our national joke

I typed and deleted something about this several times here. If you believe Sarah Palin is a viable candidate for national public office you should be deported to Canada. She is a total moron, and I am sick to death of seeing her stupid hick face on TV.

I like Sarah Palin, she has a nice a$$.

She’s a joke, but the craziest thing is that she doesn’t even have enough perspective to realize it about herself. Honestly, there isn’t a professional human being above the pay grade of … let’s say the Assistant Manager at McDonald’s … that would have done that.



I mean, I could go on and on about things like reading newspapers or this whole bullcrap with defending Rush on the R-word use … but why bother? We’ve got a woman that poses in track outfits, then criticizes print media because she’s not taken seriously and uses those images to question her veracity.



Here’s a clue, Sarah. Stay within your intellectual equals, and go back to Wasilla where everyone gets a turn at being Mayor.

I like Sarah Palin, she has a nice a$$.

She is in over her head.

No way Biden is as bad as Sarah Palin.  She is an embarassment to intelligent people.  "Hi, I am a soccer Mom"

For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND?

Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.

no way I agree.  He is much more polished than she is.  She is a dope IMO.  I vote republican alot but I wont if she is there

Biden is not nearly as hot.

[quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND?

Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.

But have you seen him naked ? Obama has !

…I think if you put Obama and Palin on stage and tell the American people that we’re going to elect a new president today, Palin would crush him. Not even close.

[quote=Spaceman Spiff] …I think if you put Obama and Palin on stage and tell the American people that we’re going to elect a new president today, Palin would crush him.  Not even close.   

[quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND? Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.

McCain didn’t have a chance with or without Palin.  Any Republican was seen as Bush, and the country had already decided to betray their President and would vote against anything closely resembling President Bush.

Much like they are doing now, as they turn on Obama.  The American people are fickle.

[quote=Moraen] McCain didn’t have a chance with or without Palin. Any Republican was seen as Bush, and the country had already decided to betray their President and would vote against anything closely resembling President Bush.Much like they are doing now, as they turn on Obama. The American people are fickle.

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Agreed to some extent. People wanted the GOP out. But if Marble mouth Romney could have given a good speech the GOP would have won, hands down. I voted Republican because I think it was best. I wish Obama well because he inherited a sh*tHOLE. GB jr expanded gov’t 3 times during his term. People voted for change not for Obama. But Palin is an insult to me. She is useless it scares me. Would I throw her a bone? Hell yeah but the minute she is in front of a TV and telling me she understands my plight because she is a “soccer mom” is the minute I move to Canada. I don’t see how any of you admire this fake. Obama’s educational background alone trumps anything she has done in her life besides quitting as gov of Alaska. Newt in 2012!

NEWT?? He's an adulterist and I don't think that will play very well in an election. Ask John Edwards.

She is a Media-Whore! She will do anything to be in the spotlight. I am certain she knew this would be caught on video and would put her in the headlines again. It’s what she lives for!



The most scary thing for me is that there are many people in the GOP who want her as the party’s candidate in 2012. Even scarier, the GOP’s strategy seems to be moving us closer to this reality.

The only reason Palin is still in the spotlight is because American men want to F*** her.

Colbert for President.

Palin is a total idiot. 

[quote=UNDERMINDED]Palin is a total idiot. 

[quote=LockEDJ][quote=UNDERMINDED]Palin is a total idiot. 

I will leave as well. Although I think Brazil is a much better choice

Sometimes … frankly, that Colbert piece should be required watching for everyone. Hilarious, scary.

[quote=thrownouttwice] [quote=Spaceman Spiff] [quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND? Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.[/quote]

She is so hot though.

she is bangin’… me

She’s a complete moron, plain and simple.  How the hell can people say she’d be a good president when she bailed on her job as Governor?

Like Sometimes wrote, the notes on her hand were not anything difficult and something that should not have to be written down to recall.  She just completely annoys the crap out of me.  I actually wanted to visit Alaska before I knew who she was. 

[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=thrownouttwice] [quote=Spaceman Spiff] [quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND? Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.[/quote]

Moraen- I agree with you that Wesley Clark is another good choice. Bob Corker is getting some attention lately too.

I guess he’s comparing it to Bush.  In Bush’s first year, he enacted some nice tax cuts, passed NCLB (which has it’s flaws, but he pushed it through a Congress that was not nearly as lopsided as this one is in the Democrats favor), got attacked on 9/11 and removed the Taliban from power.  Created the Department of Homeland Security, showed strong support for an ally (Taiwan) in a standoff with China (something President Obama has yet to do -  he simply wants to be everyone’s friend).

All while taking more vacation days than any other president in history.  In fact, most of the month of August.

What has President Obama done with a clear-cut majority in both legislative bodies? 

I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I don’t understand what people mean when they say this. What expectations did you have one year into his presidency? Did you think he was going to be finished implementing his agenda by his first SOTU? Like his address was going to go something like “well, I’m finished. I’m going to hit the beach. Hit me on my Blackberry if you guys need me”…

Spiff, no offense meant, but you sound like a partisan ideologue. And partisan ideologues (on both sides) are the reason things aren’t getting done (Mohomed El Erian alluded to this in a recent Bloomberg article) and why a lot of the problems facing this nation aren’t being addressed and are subsequently getting worse. In my humble opinion, people like you are what’s going wrong with this country. No opinions, just talking points copied from some Fox News  talking head (or Air America/CNN or whatever on the other side).

I think that if Obama wore a red tie to his business meetings you would be a lot more forgiving of his performance and his ideas.

[quote=mlgone]We will see. Bush jr could in my opinion go down as one of the worst presidents in US history[/quote]

Because public opinion is skewed against him. 

He made plenty of mistakes (every president does), but the things that people ding him for the most, I feel weren’t mistakes.

The facts speak for themselves.  Barack Obama would likely NOT have invaded Afghanistan.  And would also likely NOT have invaded Iraq.  Now I know you guys think that it was a mistake, but I can almost guarantee you that we would have had another attack on U.S. soil if he hadn’t. 

Al Gore would have launched missiles at Afghanistan.  That’s what dumbass liberals who are afraid to commit U.S. troops do.  Barack Obama would have launched ninety Predators.

What nobody understands is that ground troops are REQUIRED to realistically wage an effective campaign.

Things that weren’t mistakes.

Tax cuts
Iraq invasion
Afghanistan invasion
Petraeus
Standing up for Taiwan
Providing more help for AIDs infested countries
Denouncing Yassar Arafat

Some things that were:

Rummy
Cheney
NCLB (debatable - some things about No Child Left Behind are good)
Not putting the brakes on Fannie and Freddie (although that is a legislative task)
Tommy Franks (sorry Army13A, I know he’s arty, but come on, he’s almost as brainless as Palin)
Stem cells

See?  I’m equal opportunity.  But, he did accomplish things.  Our current President (and despite his faults, he is my President and I hope he starts “gettin’ it”) has accomplished what with his supermajority?  And it doesn’t look like that future is any brighter. 

When the Republicans start trouncing Democrats, and he no longer holds either house of Congress, he’ll REALLY get nothing done.  Lame duck.

[quote=SometimesNowhere] [quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=thrownouttwice] [quote=Spaceman Spiff] [quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND? Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.[/quote]

[quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=SometimesNowhere] [quote=Spaceman Spiff][quote=thrownouttwice] [quote=Spaceman Spiff] [quote=LockEDJ]For real now … has anyone ever seen anything so ludicrous as the images of a national political figure referring to crib notes WRITTEN ON HER HAND? Sarah … STFU. You continually prove incredibly not qualified to be on the national stage. You’re in over your head. Just brutal, the woman is just brutal.[/quote]

[quote=Moraen]

Things that weren’t mistakes.

Tax cuts - Tax Cuts (no); Borrowing money to pay for them during a period of economic expansion (YES)

Iraq invasion - Completely disagree - I created a new post for this one

Afghanistan invasion - Agree

Petraeus - Agree

Standing up for Taiwan - Agree

Providing more help for AIDs infested countries - Agree - Although we should qualify that most of the money went to US Pharma companies - Win! Win!

Denouncing Yassar Arafat - Yes; but supporting free elections in Palestine was a mistake.



Some things that were:

Rummy - Agree

Cheney - Agree

NCLB (debatable - some things about No Child Left Behind are good) - Agree

Not putting the brakes on Fannie and Freddie (although that is a legislative task) - Agree - Systemic failure, not necessarily presidential.

Tommy Franks (sorry Army13A, I know he’s arty, but come on, he’s almost as brainless as Palin) - pass

Stem cells - Strongly agree.[/quote]



Just my 2c - Thanks for reading!

Just to be clear, I didn’t stay that I thought Palin was a viable candidate for president.  This conversation was that she was our national joke.  I disagreed and said that I believe she could beat Obama in an election today.  There’s a difference between that and saying that I’d support her as a presidential candidate in 2012. 

[quote=Spaceman Spiff]Just to be clear, I didn’t stay that I thought Palin was a viable candidate for president.  This conversation was that she was our national joke.  I disagreed and said that I believe she could beat Obama in an election today.  There’s a difference between that and saying that I’d support her as a presidential candidate in 2012. 

Regardless of who would be “better”, Palin has been reduced to a national joke by the media.  There is NO WAY she could beat anyone now.  Right or wrong, that’s just how she is viewed publicly.  The only thing Obama has going for him is that he is “stately” looking, and, unless you dissect what he actually says, does not come across as a knucklehead like Palin.  For the record, I disagree with virtually ALL of his views, but Palin just can’t get it together on the national stage.

[quote=SometimesNowhere][quote=Spaceman Spiff]Just to be clear, I didn’t stay that I thought Palin was a viable candidate for president.  This conversation was that she was our national joke.  I disagreed and said that I believe she could beat Obama in an election today.  There’s a difference between that and saying that I’d support her as a presidential candidate in 2012. 

Palin has 0% chance of getting the 2012 nomination so I don't think we have to worry about that.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the parties, either of them, are true to their roots anymore. There’s a reason you’re hearing the term progressive so much these days. There’s a reason you’re hearing the word conservative. Those are the real parties in 2010.      

Sarah Palin is a nice-looking lady with at least more than average intelligence who simply got in over her head.  She was crucified repeatedly by a media dead set on electing the neophyte we have in the oval office now.  I’m sorry…just because she can’t always collect her thoughts efficiently when the bright lights are trained on her and millions are watching doesn’t mean that she’s as stupid as national media would like us to believe.  Yes, all this is my opinion, but I haven’t seen anything recently that’s shaken it in the least.  Of the candidates we had to choose from, I don’t think we could have selected a less experienced, less qualified one than we did and yet we continue to crucify a former governor of Alaska.  He may have his Harvard academics over Palin, but IMO, that’s all he has.  At least she knows we only have 50 states.

I just have to laugh. The "hide the ball" operation of the DNC is without parallel. Here they have their rank and file dingbats all foaming at the mouth about Palin, a woman who has zero chance of ever occupying the Oval Office and all the while they're missing the fact that one of the world's biggest empty suits, Joe "I just flat can't tell the truth" Biden is just a heartbeat away from getting into the big chair.

Ol’ Hairplug’s latest, that Iraq would rank as one of the OBAMA administration’s greatest achievements has to rank among the all-time top five “WTF did you just say?????” lines ever uttered by a politician. If THAT nonsense doesn’t get your attention because you’re all crazed about non-entity Palin being a “national embarrassment” you’re just too stupid to sit at the grownup’s table.

[quote=Indyone]Sarah Palin is a nice-looking lady with at least more than average intelligence who simply got in over her head.  She was crucified repeatedly by a media dead set on electing the neophyte we have in the oval office now.  I’m sorry…just because she can’t always collect her thoughts efficiently when the bright lights are trained on her and millions are watching doesn’t mean that she’s as stupid as national media would like us to believe.  Yes, all this is my opinion, but I haven’t seen anything recently that’s shaken it in the least.  Of the candidates we had to choose from, I don’t think we could have selected a less experienced, less qualified one than we did and yet we continue to crucify a former governor of Alaska.  He may have his Harvard academics over Palin, but IMO, that’s all he has.  At least she knows we only have 50 states.

If you’re going to use the “tired” excuse for Obama, you can do the same for Palin.  My point is, eventually, left on camera long enough, all politicians say stupid things.  I just find the level of attention Palin’s gaffes get from the media…interesting.

[quote=Indyone]If you’re going to use the “tired” excuse for Obama, you can do the same for Palin. My point is, eventually, left on camera long enough, all politicians say stupid things. I just find the level of attention Palin’s gaffes get from the media…interesting.



Obama’s beer summit was an incredibly stupid. Calling a police officer stupid without knowing the whole story was stupid. Saying that Iran is a tiny country that doesn’t pose a threat to us is stupid. Making fun of rural Pennsylvanians clinging to their guns and religion while thinking that no one was recording him was stupid. Saying that Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and that it must remain undivided was breathtakingly stupid…and quickly retracted. Arguing that passage of the stimulus bill was needed to reduce the unemployment rate to 8.5% was stupid. Trusting Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to craft real healthcare reform…I could go on and on. His political appointees…Emanuel, Holder, Gibbs…not to mention the ones who were so bad they didn’t even get through the confirmation process…make one mistake after another. Gibbs is just embarrassing to watch.



Do I really think these people are all complete idiots? No…not really. they have all achieved national prominence that you or I never will and you generally don’t get there by being an idiot unless you live in Hollywood or play pro basketball. However, under the microscope 24/7, you can find plenty of material to make any politician look stupid. Sarah Palin is not a Harvard law grad, but neither is she a national joke. Anyone who commands a six-figure speaking fee isn’t as stupid as the media would like you to think.

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I do not disagree that Palin was a target. But, I’m not sure if it was a left-wing conspiracy or a drive for television ratings that drove it.



The Bush administration was very hostile to all the networks except Fox. Whenever they wanted a “news” story out, Fox got the story. News is a business. I believe the people running and working at the networks care more about their paychecks and their bonuses than any political affiliation. If someone else wanted to call it a conspiracy; I wouldn’t disagree.



You never hear about this on the news (gee, I wonder why?); but I believe this is why Obama had his first live interview with every network on one night.



He who controls the media; controls the world.



As for Palin, I think you are stretching saying her speaking fee represents her qualifications. She is a hot mom who became governor of a state which is 80% blue-collar male (including the largest number of overseas absentee ballots of any state). She became a VP candidate as a Hail Mary attempt at saving the McCain campaign. She is a celebrity; a celebrity among the religious nut-jobs of America.



If she were CEO of a company, would you invest in it?

Anyone who says yes, is lying.

[quote=Indyone]If you’re going to use the “tired” excuse for Obama, you can do the same for Palin.  My point is, eventually, left on camera long enough, all politicians say stupid things.  I just find the level of attention Palin’s gaffes get from the media…interesting.

She is a celebrity; a celebrity among the religious nut-jobs of America.

You really believe that’s the only constituency she appeals to? Honestly? I don’t think the woman’s presidential timber, otoh, I suggest you get out of that bubble you appear to be living in and get some fresh air. There are two things Palin does extremely well and they compliment each other; she’s authentic (as in the textbook opposite of Joe “Can’t tell the truth” Biden) and she sends the drooling ideologues on the left into apoplexy. That reason alone is enough for me to want to see her remain on the national stage.

[quote=Lawrence] She is a celebrity; a celebrity among the religious nut-jobs of America.

You really believe that’s the only constituency she appeals to? Honestly? I don’t think the woman’s presidential timber, otoh, I suggest you get out of that bubble you appear to be living in and get some fresh air. There are two things Palin does extremely well and they compliment each other; she’s authentic (as in the textbook opposite of Joe “Can’t tell the truth” Biden) and she sends the drooling ideologues on the left into apoplexy. That reason alone is enough for me to want to see her remain on the national stage.

[quote=SometimesNowhere][quote=Indyone]If you’re going to use the “tired” excuse for Obama, you can do the same for Palin.  My point is, eventually, left on camera long enough, all politicians say stupid things.  I just find the level of attention Palin’s gaffes get from the media…interesting.

[quote=Lawrence] She is a celebrity; a celebrity among the religious nut-jobs of America.

You really believe that’s the only constituency she appeals to? Honestly? I don’t think the woman’s presidential timber, otoh, I suggest you get out of that bubble you appear to be living in and get some fresh air. There are two things Palin does extremely well and they compliment each other; she’s authentic (as in the textbook opposite of Joe “Can’t tell the truth” Biden) and she sends the drooling ideologues on the left into apoplexy. That reason alone is enough for me to want to see her remain on the national stage.

[quote=Lawrence]
I'll agree she is authentic. However, it is sad to say, I do not believe that is a characteristic of a winning politician. [/quote]

Do you realize how little sense that makes? Being authentic, that is being really what you appear to be is not only critical to politicians, it's critical to worthwhile human beings as a whole.

[/quote] Look how Obama's effort to be authentic is hurting him. [/quote]

Obama's problem is he ISN'T authentic, he's pretending to be something he isn't. For what he is, watch what he's said behind closed doors. Start with quotes that include words like "cling" and "bitter" when he describes those poor souls in flyover country.

[quote=Lawrence]I belive Obama/Biden could run a successful company; [/quote]

I see no evidence of that. In fact, neither of them have been in charge of anything of consequence at any point prior in their lives.

[quote=Lawrence]I believe the religious nut jobs are her base. [/quote]

I think that says more about you and the bubble you live in that anything else.

[quote=Lawrence] btw: when did Biden become Joe "can't tell the truth" Biden. I never heard anything... [/quote]

Sounds like you don't know much about Joey Plugs. The first known indications of his problems with the truth seem to have surfaced in law school when he was caught plagiarizing, but I suspect it really began long before that. Then there were the lies he told about his academic record, what degree he earned (he claimed two) where he graduated in his law school class (he claimed honors, he was in the bottom 15%). Then there’s the Neil Kennoch speech he stole, line for line. He and his sycophants have tried to play that off as simply failing, on occasion, to give credit to Kennoch, but the fact he had to change his family history to fit the speech. The list is long and I can continue if you like, even provide supporting documentation from mainstream media outlets, if you need it.

[quote=Lawrence] …did he out a CIA agent and lie about it? Because, I consider that treason.
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No, and neither did anyone else, no matter what you were told in echo chambers and fringe websites. Ask Richard Armitage.

[quote=Lawrence]I’ll agree she is authentic. However, it is sad to say, I do not believe that is a characteristic of a winning politician. [/quote]Do you realize how little sense that makes? Being authentic, that is being really what you appear to be is not only critical to politicians, it’s critical to worthwhile human beings as a whole.

Every word, every phrase, every intonation and every expression a politician makes is carefully crafted to appeal to a certain chunk of the mass audience. It’s acting for ugly people. The job of a successful politician is nothing but show business.



You can see this mastery in the Republican party, far more than the Democratic party, where they strive to build “clones” who recite the exact same message, using the exact same phrases, over and over again. You believe 50 people reciting the exact same lines is authentic?

[quote=Conrad Dobler] [quote=Lawrence]Look how Obama’s effort to be authentic is hurting him. [/quote] Obama’s problem is he ISN’T authentic, he’s pretending to be something he isn’t. For what he is, watch what he’s said behind closed doors. Start with quotes that include words like “cling” and “bitter” when he describes those poor souls in flyover country.[/quote]

You must live in NW Pennsylvania…sorry. I have not seen anything from Obama to show that he is any different than any other politician.

[quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Lawrence]I belive Obama/Biden could run a successful company; [/quote]

I see no evidence of that. In fact, neither of them have been in charge of anything of consequence at any point prior in their lives.[/quote]

As I said previously, the job of a politician is mostly show business. So, one of the important aspect of being president is making quality choices for you cabinet. Jack Welch gave Obama high praise for his cabinet choices. I’m sure you disagree with this also.

[quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Lawrence]I believe the religious nut jobs are her base. [/quote] I think that says more about you and the bubble you live in that anything else. [/quote]

This country is full of nut jobs who will vote for whoever promotes the most extreme religious-right agenda. Palin was their man in '08. They don’t care that she doesn’t understand the constitution and the logic behind Roe v. Wade, as long as she wants it overturned.

[quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Lawrence] btw: when did Biden become Joe “can’t tell the truth” Biden. I never heard anything… [/quote]Sounds like you don’t know much about Joey Plugs. The first known indications of his problems with the truth seem to have surfaced in law school when he was caught plagiarizing, but I suspect it really began long before that. Then there were the lies he told about his academic record, what degree he earned (he claimed two) where he graduated in his law school class (he claimed honors, he was in the bottom 15%). Then there’s the Neil Kennoch speech he stole, line for line. He and his sycophants have tried to play that off as simply failing, on occasion, to give credit to Kennoch, but the fact he had to change his family history to fit the speech. The list is long and I can continue if you like, even provide supporting documentation from mainstream media outlets, if you need it.[/quote]I knew about his plagiarism. I thought you were talking about current events.



I wonder if that will hurt him in '16.

[quote=Conrad Dobler][quote=Lawrence] …did he out a CIA agent and lie about it? Because, I consider that treason. [/quote]No, and neither did anyone else, no matter what you were told in echo chambers and fringe websites. Ask Richard Armitage. [/quote]

If I understand the events correctly, they made outing a CIA agent legal just before they did it. Cheney, who claimed he wasn’t behind it, was. Bush, who vowed that no one on his staff was involved, “mis-stated”.



Like I said, the only reason they did not break the law is they changed the law right before they did it. Only Libby was convicted because he lied under oath.



I don’t even know why I am responding to you. Anyone who was not offended by this fiasco is hopelessly partisan.



…maybe it’s because I landed a big account today and I’m just coasting. Cha-Ching!

Boring…

I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…

Nice Indyone.

She has a nice a$$ and she has accomplished some things.  Actually, more things than Barack has accomplished being in the Senate and President.

Of course, it is Alaska.  I certainly don’t think she’d be as bad a president as say, Calvin Coolidge, or Jimmy Carter. 

For those of you who will move to a different country, remember, the country is not the President.  Just like the people who said they were, “afraid” of Obama.  And they would leave the country.

WTF?  Afraid?  Like he’s going to come to your neighborhood and eat your children.

Afraid?  Of Sarah Palin?  Like she’s going to come to your neighborhood and let you hit it. 

[quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/

The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]



Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.



Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?



There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage).

[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/

The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]



Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.



Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?



There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage). [/quote]

Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?

[quote=Moraen]

[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/

The real national jokes are the two boobs we actually elected.[/quote]



Just read the whole thing. And not trying to poke holes; But there are quite a few things in that essay which are highly suspicious.



Giving Palin credit because “Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich.” I know they got bigger checks when oil prices spiked, but WTF?



There’s more people living on my block, than the population of any city in Alaska (except Anchorage). [/quote]Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?[/quote]

I was talking about the fisherman article.

Is this fisherman, who just “got into” politics 2 years ago, also the current alaskan governor?

[quote=Lawrence][quote=Indyone] I’m satisfied that I’ll never convince many of you that Sarah Palin didn’t just step off the short bus, but for those of you willing to keep an open mind (I’m not asking anyone to vote her into the oval office), here’s some perspective from one of her former Alaskan constituents…
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/an-alaskan-fisherman-talks-about-sarah-palin/blog-148707/

He didn’t say he had been in politics for two years just that:

"I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year."

I don’t think he’s the governor.

Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?

[quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?

To me, Wilsonianism is the very essence of our country’s international behavior. Whether or not you agree with the protection/establishment of democracy as the sole justification for our involvement outside our borders, you cannot argue that this was in fact his own concept and his leadership brought the direction to the country.



His presidency - both for it’s domestic as well as foreign policies - established entirely new directions for the country and largely based on his own leadership and beliefs. Obviously his policies regarding the treatment of minorities, his failure to get the League of Nations passed and the establishment of a progressive tax system detract from his legacy. But even there, you can argue that he *got equal pay for blacks in the army, *helped to establish the League and within the structure of 14 Points established the basis for Armistice, and *never could have envisioned what has become of the IRS.

[quote=LockEDJ] To me, Wilsonianism is the very essence of our country’s international behavior. Whether or not you agree with the protection/establishment of democracy as the sole justification for our involvement outside our borders, you cannot argue that this was in fact his own concept and his leadership brought the direction to the country.



His presidency - both for it’s domestic as well as foreign policies - established entirely new directions for the country and largely based on his own leadership and beliefs. Obviously his policies regarding the treatment of minorities, his failure to get the League of Nations passed and the establishment of a progressive tax system detract from his legacy. But even there, you can argue that he *got equal pay for blacks in the army, *helped to establish the League and within the structure of 14 Points established the basis for Armistice, and *never could have envisioned what has become of the IRS.

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Lock - I agree with protection/establishment of democracy in theory. However, I believe the process is perverted by our political flaws.



You know, Country Q has lots of copper mines - so, Ajax Mining Company spends millions lobbying to “spread democracy” in Country Q.



I’m not saying what we do is not also honorable - but, at moments, the motivations become questionable.



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joel - I believe the fact that JFK was a martyr is what put us on the moon before the end of the decade.



The world has learned you never assassinate a charismatic young leader - it only emboldens their followers to fulfill their dream. Look at JFK, Lincoln, Che’, Sadat, Rabin, Martin Luther King and Tupac.

[quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?

Obama is all about public opinion. I don’t blame him. Who wants to go through what Bush went through?

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[quote=LockEDJ][quote=Moraen] Before becoming prez, Obama governed how many people?[/quote]

SS private accounts
Iraq War was unpopular before
It was also unpopular after, he stuck to his guns
NCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)
Immigration
Stem cells (only popular with Christians)
Global Warming

What unpopular stances has Barack taken?

[quote=Moraen] SS private accountsIraq War was unpopular beforeIt was also unpopular after, he stuck to his gunsNCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)ImmigrationStem cells (only popular with Christians)Global WarmingWhat unpopular stances has Barack taken?

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Nationalized Healthcare is quite unpopular - Democrats lost a senate seat in Mass. and a governorship in NJ because of it!!!



I live in the NYC area, so it’s really hard for me to gauge how Bush’s programs play in other parts of the country. People around here weren’t happy with anything Bush did. Just like Conrad said, I live in a bubble.



I guess I always saw Bush as playing to his base.

[quote=Lawrence][quote=Moraen] SS private accountsIraq War was unpopular beforeIt was also unpopular after, he stuck to his gunsNCLB (crap legislation - he stuck to it to)ImmigrationStem cells (only popular with Christians)Global WarmingWhat unpopular stances has Barack taken?

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Nationalized Healthcare is quite unpopular - Democrats lost a senate seat in Mass. and a governorship in NJ because of it!!!



I live in the NYC area, so it’s really hard for me to gauge how Bush’s programs play in other parts of the country. People around here weren’t happy with anything Bush did. Just like Conrad said, I live in a bubble.



I guess I always saw Bush as playing to his base.

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Healthcare was popular until the Tea party and town halls got a hold of it.